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Paul Krugman is plain awful

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by hondo, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You can't unilaterally forgive debt. It's owed someone. In the case of sovereign debt, if you default, you bring on more consequences for your country than even I can get into a post.

    Money in this day and age comes from central banks. It has no backing, other than the words of the governments. There in lies the rub. So many countries have run up so much debt. And those central banks exist to do the bidding of those governments. So they use a variety of tricks to devalue their money, in an effort to reduce the amount of debt in real terms.

    That hurts us, though -- the people who work and earn that money. And this is the cycle we are in. The U.S. Federal Reserve in particular has shit all over the dollar. And they are creating more and more dollars -- just the paper. Which devalues what you have in your pocket and what your paycheck says. They have tried to mask it by changing the way they measure the CPI, which is a measure of inflation. But we are seeing inflation. Anyone who has grocery shopped in the last three years sees it. The only things keeping inflation in check are that the housing market popped and we are not seeing wage inflation. But as a measure of household expenses? It has gotten worse and is going to continue to.

    If that makes you think money is a farce, I guess that is a fair sentiment. But governments have set up these all powerful central banks that act in near secrecy for a reason. Control the money supply and you control your people. Except it is all crashing down right now. Because they are not in control of the money supply. They have crossed lines that are making people lose their faith.

    If you think "money" is a farce, think in terms of alternative currencies. Things with intrinsic value. Food, for example. Food commodities over the next 10 years, are likely to soar in price the way we are going. Precious metals, of course. Their value is in their scarcity, not someone telling you they are worth something. There are ways to protect yourself in this kind of environment. There are always things that have intrinsic value when sovereign entities devalue their currencies.
     
  2. Ragu - stop responding to Stitch. He's just goading you.

    That's my job.
     
  3. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    Since we owe most of the money to ourselves, maybe we can make a deal to pay it off in installments. Or just put the keys in the mailbox and walk away.

    http://www.mygovcost.org/2011/03/11/to-whom-does-the-u-s-government-really-owe-money/
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    You know, we're using a large percentage of that money to provide liquidity to our banks. It's been an endless cycle, since 2008. Our treasury issues the debt. Our Central bank buys the debt and collects the 3 percent coupon. It then lends it to banks, which are supposed to loan it out (but haven't been--multiple reasons I won't get into). It's why the yield curve isn't really a curve right now. The 30 year lending rate is not much different--in relative terms--than the overnight rate the Fed lends money to banks at. And the whole shell game just adds more debt to our balance sheet. With the way they have fucked things up, the shell game is the only way they are keeping a semblance of liquidity in our economy. This is what happens when you try to manage economies rather than letting them float.
     
  5. CarltonBanks

    CarltonBanks New Member

    Horseshit. Nice revisionist history. Maybe Bush should have hopped on the nearest direct flight to DC...everyone knew what was going on in the skies and we all knew everything was over and there was no threat to the President.
    Bush made it back to the White House that night and gave a strong speech to the nation. Your post was ignorant.
     
  6. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Far be it from me to defend Bush, but he kinda didn't have a choice in getting whisked away from Florida. The Secret Service pretty much would have carried him out and tied him up on AF1. And that's their job. To protect the president.
     
  7. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    All available online.

    People can decide for themselves.

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911florida.htm

    http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911addresstothenation.htm
     
  8. CarltonBanks

    CarltonBanks New Member

    Are you sure people can decide for themselves? Usually liberals just tell you what you should think.
     
  9. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Unless Bush had some sort of un-crash the planes button in his office, there wasn't a whole lot he could have done at that point.
     
  10. SpeedTchr

    SpeedTchr Well-Known Member

    That was Cheney's Halliburton cronies. Their evil machine had that covered if it was in the plan.
     
  11. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    The Scholars for 9/11 Truth think Bush could have done something. My physics professor at BYU was one of the founding members of the group. He didn't stay in his job for very long once he got involved with the group.
     
  12. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    This has been explained numerous times. To fly the president back to Washington when the Pentagon has already been attacked, Flight 93 was God knows where and rumors of a fifth aircraft lost (mistakenly, but who knew at the time?) would have been criminally irresponsible on the part of the Secret Service. Bush using 9-11 as an excuse for Iraq is one argument. But his conduct, bearing and words the day of 9-11 and the days after were completely within the definition of the word "presidential."
     
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