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Oy. Journalists sentenced to labor camp.

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Sneed, Jun 8, 2009.

  1. Sneed

    Sneed Guest


    Couple of US journalists were arrested in North Korea and sentenced to 12 years of hard labor.

  2. OnTheRiver

    OnTheRiver Active Member

    Still better than working for Gannett.


    But in all seriousness, they're human bargaining chips. From what I've read, they won't be sent to a labor camp, because heaven forbid they interact with North Korean prisoners. They'll be traded for some sort of political concession from the West, and that'll be that.
  3. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    It's my understanding the Kim Jong-Il is asking for twelve cases of Hennessy, cash considerations and a defector to be named later.
  4. OnTheRiver

    OnTheRiver Active Member

    They'll also be listed as witnesses when they call in his next six-ace round of golf to the Pyongyang Daily Bugle.
  5. friend of the friendless

    friend of the friendless Active Member

    Sirs, Madames,

    And some complain about having to blog/twitter for their art.

    Agreed about the separation from the general population in any sort of confinement but I suspect they'll be given a rough time, if only for show.

    Threadjack in part, but is it sorta eerie that we heard nothing more from the CSM reporter who was held hostage for a good long stretch ... I thought that would translate into celebrity and a book or something.

  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The jokes on this thread really bummed me out. ... just nothing funny about the situation. I have been following it since they were snatched and attended a rally a few weeks ago by Reporters Without Borders for them.

    The women may have actually been in China when they were arrested--the North Koreans may have actually crossed the border and snatched them. Now they are being used as pawns. One of them is Lisa Ling's--who was on the TV show The View--sister. And the station they were working for is owned by Al Gore. There is some talk of him taking a trip to North Korea now on their behalf, although it will likely have no positive effect. North Korean labor camps are Gulags, so what these women are facing is heartbreaking. And it is likely their sentences were so severe because Kim Jong-Il is using them as a bargaining chip for diplomacy (or his lack of willingness to engage in it) purposes.

    Let's all hope that something miraculous happens and they get to come home, the way the Iranians released Roxana Saberi. This is not just an assault against free expression in the world, or a reminder of the dark cloud people in North Korea are forced to live under, it is very real for these women: the brutality they are undoubtedly being subjected to as prisoners there is heartbreaking. My heart aches for their families.
  7. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    International pressure won't work on Kim like it did in the Iran situation.

    However, if his people crossed into China to kidnap these two I would think Beijing would have a bit of a problem with that and would be able to exert enough pressure to get them released.
  8. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    China doesn't care about their own citizens and freedom of the press. Why would they care about two Americans?
  9. NoOneLikesUs

    NoOneLikesUs Active Member

    I think there has to come a point where the games stop with this regime. That time is getting close.
  10. Dyno

    Dyno Well-Known Member

    I saw an interview with Lisa Ling, her parents and the husbands of both women that was absolutely wrenching.

    If what Ragu says about the women being snatched from China is true, it's all the more horrible.

    I laugh as much as anyone at "Team America World Police" and the Kim Jong-Il puppet, but there's no humor in this; it's a heartbreaking situation.
  11. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    I know. But they DO care about incursions over their border. Especially ones that draw international attention.
  12. deskslave

    deskslave Active Member

    They also care about giving the impression that FOREIGN reporters are by and large free to do what they want in China, even though that's not actually true either.

    Can't remember exactly where I saw it, or I'd link it, but I saw a story quoting Bill Richardson as saying that you can't negotiate over this kind of stuff with the North Koreans until after the legal process is finished. Now that it is, the negotiations can begin.

    Either Richardson or Gore will go over there, there'll be a bunch of posturing by the North Koreans and then they'll let the reporters go. There's no way they're keeping them for 12 years, and they're certainly not putting them anywhere near actual North Koreans. Even North Korea's not dumb enough to keep holding American reporters.

    I don't mean to be dismissive, though. This is obviously a terrible situation, and even a day or two in any North Korean detention is bound to be extraordinarily unpleasant. And the trouble is, the U.S. can't send a consular representative to visit, because there is no U.S. consulate. Everything goes through Sweden, much as it goes through Switzerland in Iran.
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