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OTL reporting new evidence Pete Rose bet on baseball as player

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Steak Snabler, Jun 22, 2015.

  1. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

  2. Oh my God this is shocking!
  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Well, yeah ... but it does seem to blow to smithereens his argument for getting into the Hall.
  4. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Reds fans could not be reached for comment.

  5. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Fox News just went live to point out that the blame here lies with Obama.
  6. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Funny how I just recently began hearing how it was a virtual certainty that Manfred would reinstate Rose's eligibility for Hall of Fame consideration, but he would still not allow Rose to be employed by a team. Looks like the banishment will stand forever now.
  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Agreed. If this is true, the ban should stand forever. Pretty much every argument made in his favor is blown out of the water.
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  8. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Don't look forward to his next act, though.
    More public wailing while selling anything he touches?
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Let's look at the main betting slip from April 30, 1986:

    Screen shot 2015-06-22 at 2.20.42 PM.png

    And see what happened on that day in baseball:

    Screen shot 2015-06-22 at 2.15.23 PM.png

    And start with the Sox-Mariners game. For one, I loathed this card of Sammy Stewart. Irrational loathing. Wanted to punch him in the nose.


    On 4/30/86 the Sox and Mariners combined for 13 runs and 19 hits, 13 of which were singles and 0 homers. Jim Rice went 3 for 5 with 3 RBIs for the Sox while Dwight Evans and Wade Boggs each walked 3 times. Mariners pitchers issued 10 walks. Bruce Hurst, Sammy Stewart, and Bob Stanley combined to strike out 16 Mariners.

    Then you look at the Mariners lineup that day and see that Dave Henderson played center-field. Same Dave Henderson who hit one of the biggest home runs in baseball history the same season -- but for the Red Sox thanks to a trade the teams made 111 days later:

    Per baseball-reference.com: Traded by Seattle Mariners with Spike Owen to Boston Red Sox in exchange for Rey Quinones, cash and 3 players to be named later (August 19, 1986); Seattle Mariners received Mike Brown and Mike Trujillo (August 22, 1986) and John Christensen (September 25, 1986).

    The Mariners got:

    Mike Brown: 12-20 career record, 5.75 ERA in 253 innings
    Mike Trujillo: 12-12 career record, 5.02 ERA in 234 innings
    John Christensen: 294 career at-bats, 66 hits, 16 doubles, 2 triples, 5 homers, 33 RBIs, .224 average, .654 OPS

    The Red Sox got:

    Donnie Moore committed suicide on July 18, 1989.

    Next game up: Orioles-ChiSox ...
  10. mpcincal

    mpcincal Well-Known Member

    But he didn't bet against his own team! What's the big deal!
  11. TigerVols

    TigerVols Well-Known Member

    I'd like to the thank the St. Louis Cardinals' front office for unearthing this notebook.
  12. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    Lineup change. Wanted to see if Donnie Moore pitched on April 30, 1986. Lo and behold ...

    Screen shot 2015-06-22 at 2.47.03 PM.png

    The Angels, with names many of us here remember so well -- Rick Burleson, Ruppert Jones, Wally Joyner the rookie, Reggie, DeCinces, Downing, Pettis, Grich -- led 4-3 thanks to Joyner's 3 RBIs and a 7th-inning go-ahead homer by Burleson, part of his 3 for 3 day.

    Terry Forster started bottom-8 for the Angels and retired Garth Iorg before Willy Upshaw singled. In came Moore looking for a 4-out save. He gave up a single to George Bell.

    Up to the bat stepped Jesse Barfield.


    A wild pitch sent Upshaw to third.

    Barfield sent the next pitch over the right-center fence for a 3-run homer and 6-4 lead.

    Doyle Alexander came out to finish what he started -- when real men pitched!

    April 30 turned out to be such a foreboding day that season.

    Barfield meanwhile finished with 40 homers and 108 RBIs. He played 8 more seasons but never hit more than 28 in a season.

    But he always had that gun:

    Last edited: Jun 22, 2015
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