Oscar De La Hoya vs. Floyd Mayweather fight / HBO 24/7 running thread

DLH-Vargas was a "mega-fight"? Where? Vargas was already a punch drunk former champion who got completely wasted by Trinidad and couldn't keep his weight down. Vargas was a notch above Gatti at that point in his career and at least Gatti was getting good corner advice.

Floyd fought he last two fights at 147 so saying he's coming up from 130 is pure ignorance since he hasn't fought at 130 since 2001, but not as laughable as Oscar is technically better than PBF. Oscar has no combination throwing ability and doesn't work the body, those are technical aspects of boxing.

Floyd's had three really tough fights in his career, two against Jose Luis Castillo and to a lesser extent the one against Judah (which you are really overplaying for whatever reason) but both boxers had one thing in common. They were good body punchers, Castillo is an exceptional body puncher.

I almost feel like I'm feeding a troll so I'll stop and talk with your brother.

Rok: Did you see this week's 24/7?

Looks at Oscar's overall problems with the good boxers he's faced. Pernell Whitaker was a fight he easily could've lost but he was getting hand-picking judges at the time. He had problems with Whitaker, a smaller fighter that comes at difficult angles and uses body work.

Quartey he wins on majority decision because of a lot of heart and getting a 12th round knockout, but he had problems with the Bazooka jab and got winded midway through the fight.

Two losses to Mosley, the second one is a little questionable, but he was gassed and clearly lost the last five rounds of the fight.

Hopkins he never could figure out his defense, his punching angles and got dropped by a kidney shot. It's not rocket science.

He struggles with boxers, he struggles in fights he can't dictate with a brawl. Like I said, people are overthinking this fight, it's just a terrible matchup for him and he's not in condition to go the distance effectively. He's got a one-punch chance. The only worse fight he could have taken was Winky Wright.

 

The more I look at this the more I like Oscar.

Let's check the records:

ODL: 38-4 (30KO's)
PBF: 37-0 (24 KO's) Note: since moving up to 147 PBF only had 1 KO vs a "light" WW

Hmm, not a lot of punching power as PBF moves up in weight. Nor is PBF as fast as he used to be when he was lighter.

Now PBF moves up ANOTHER weight class (154lbs) against a guy who has fought comfortably one weight class higher then this fight (160lbs).

What almost always happens when fighters move up weight classes let alone several in as many years?

Less power & less speed (see Hatton, Toney, Roy Jones, and now PBF)

Again, word on the street is Oscar is coming in at 170 and is going to muscle PBF bad.

Not looking so great for PBF

Oscar in KO or strong decision

 

Let's look at the records:

Who has PBF fought compared to ODL????

Oscar:

2006-05-06 Ricardo Mayorga Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 6
2004-09-18 Bernard Hopkins Las Vegas, NV Hopkins KO 9
2004-06-05 Felix Sturm Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
2003-09-13 Shane Mosley Las Vegas, NV Mosley W12
2003-05-03 Luis Ramon Campas Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO7
2002-09-14 Fernando Vargas Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 11
2001-06-23 Javier Castillejo Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
2001-03-24 Arturo Gatti Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 5
2000-06-17 Shane Mosley Los Angeles, CA Mosley W12
2000-02-26 Derrell Coley New York, NY De La Hoya KO 7
1999-09-18 Felix Trinidad Las Vegas, NV Trinidad W12
1999-05-22 Oba Carr Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 11
1999-02-13 Ike Quartey Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
1998-09-18 Julio Cesar Chavez Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya RTD 8
1998-06-13 Patrick Charpentier El Paso, TX De La Hoya TKO 3
1997-12-06 Wilfredo Rivera Atlantic City, NJ De La Hoya TKO 8
1997-09-13 Hector Camacho Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
1997-06-14 David Kamau San Antonio, TX De La Hoya KO 2
1997-04-12 Pernell Whitaker Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
1997-01-18 Miguel Angel Gonzalez Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
1996-06-07 Julio Cesar Chavez Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 4
1996-02-09 Darryl Tyson Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya KO 2
1995-12-15 Jesse James Leija New York, NY De La Hoya TKO 2
1995-09-09 Genaro Hernandez Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 6
1995-05-06 Rafael Ruelas Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 2
1995-02-18 Juan Molina Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya W12
1994-12-10 John Avila Los Angeles, CA De La Hoya TKO 9
1994-11-18 Carl Griffith Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 3
1994-07-29 Jorge Paez Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya KO 2
1994-05-27 Giorgio Campanella Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 3
1994-03-05 Jimmi Bredahl Los Angeles, CA De La Hoya TKO 10
1993-10-30 Narciso Valenzuela Phoenix, AZ De La Hoya KO 1
1993-08-27 Angelo Nunez Beverly Hills, CA De La Hoya TKO 4
1993-08-14 Renaldo Carter St. Louis, MS De La Hoya TKO 6
1993-06-07 Troy Dorsey Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 1
1993-05-08 Frank Avelar Stateline, NV De La Hoya TKO 4
1993-04-06 Mike Grable Rochester, NY De La Hoya W8
1993-03-13 Jeff Mayweather Las Vegas, NV De La Hoya TKO 4
1993-02-06 Curtis Strong San Diego, CA De La Hoya TKO 4
1993-01-03 Paris Alexander Hollywood, CA De La Hoya TKO 2
1992-12-12 Clifford Hicks Phoenix, AZ De La Hoya KO 1
1992-11-23 Lamar Williams Inglewood, CA De La Hoya KO 1


Hmm...how about PBF:

2006-04-11 Carlos Baldomir Las Vegas, NV Mayweather W12
2006-04-08 Zab Judah Las Vegas, NV Mayweather W12
2005-11-19 Sharmba Mitchell Portland, OR Mayweather TKO 6
2005-06-25 Arturo Gatti Atlantic City, NJ Mayweather TKO 6
2005-01-22 Henry Bruseles Miami, FL Mayweather TKO 8
2004-05-22 DeMarcus Corley Atlantic City, NJ Mayweather W12
2003-11-01 Phillip N'dou Grand Rapids, MI Mayweather TKO 7
2003-04-19 Victoriano Sosa Fresno, CA Mayweather W12
2002-12-07 Jose Luis Castillo Las Vegas, NV Mayweather W12
2002-04-20 Jose Luis Castillo Las Vegas, NV Mayweather W12
2001-11-10 Jesus Chavez San Francisco, CA Mayweather TKO 9
2001-05-26 Carlos Hernandez Grand Rapids, MI Mayweather W12
2001-01-20 Diego Corrales Las Vegas, NV Mayweather TKO 10
2000-10-21 Emanuel Augustus Detroit, MI Mayweather TKO 9
2000-03-18 Gregorio Vargas Las Vegas, NV Mayweather W12
1999-09-11 Carlos Gerena Las Vegas, NV Mayweather TKO 7
1999-05-22 Justin Juuko Las Vegas, NV Mayweather KO 9
1999-02-17 Carlos Alberto Ramon Rios Grand Rapids, MI Mayweather W12
1998-12-19 Angel Manfredy Miami, FL Mayweather TKO 2
1998-10-03 Genaro Hernandez Las Vegas, NV Mayweather TKO 8
1998-06-14 Tony Pep Atlantic City, NJ Mayweather W10
1998-04-18 Gustavo Fabian Cuello Los Angeles, CA Mayweather W10
1998-03-23 Miguel Melo Mashantucket, CT Mayweather TKO 3
1998-02-28 Sam Girard Atlantic City, NJ Mayweather KO 2
1998-01-09 Hector Arroyo Biloxi, MS Mayweather TKO 5
1997-11-20 Angelo Nunez Los Angeles, CA Mayweather TKO 3
1997-10-14 Felipe Garcia Boise, ID Mayweather KO 6
1997-09-06 Louie Leija El Paso, TX Mayweather TKO 2
1997-07-12 Jesus Chavez Biloxi, MS Mayweather TKO 5
1997-06-14 Larry O'Shields San Antonio, TX Mayweather W6
1997-05-09 Tony Duran Las Vegas, NV Mayweather TKO 1
1997-04-12 Kino Rodriguez Grand Rapids, MI Mayweather TKO 1
1997-02-01 Edgar Ayala Chula Vista, CA Mayweather TKO 2
1997-01-18 Jerry Cooper Las Vegas, NV Mayweather TKO 1
1996-11-30 Reggie Sanders Albuquerque, NM Mayweather W4
1996-10-11 Roberto Apodaca Las Vegas, NV Mayweather KO 2


Hmm...MUCH lighter comp for PBF also note the power decline in recent years as PBF moved up in weight.

 

Yeah Oscar looked real comfortable at 160, he was given a gift decision against Felix Sturm, who's since lost 2 of 5 and he got dropped by a kidney shot to Hopkins. In both fights he was out of breath after the sixth round.

But continue to write these lengthy book form posts of yours that say nothing. Because you know, essays = knowledge. :/

 

The real news here is that people will actually pay attention to boxing again for a night. Then go back to watching UFC.

 

Ha ha, yes that's true.

Did you see Cro Cop get smoked? He is having a tough time transitioning to UFC.

That kick cost Dana White a ton of money on the next PPV with Couture - lol.

 

Interesting article by Simmon's on the state of boxing.

Does he read these boards? You be the judge.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070425&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos2

JDV

 

Also watched the ODL / Mayorga fight.

Oscar destroyed that guy. He took a loot of good power shots and showed solid defense with stiff accurate offense & excellent speed.

@ 154 Oscar is very tough and the left hook was as devastating as ever, but note Oscar mixed in good combos as well (straight right, uppercut, body shots to both sides)

Can Floyd evade &/or withstand that power?

John

 

Mayorga did what he was supposed to do. Stand straight and make DLH look good much like he did for Trinidad. Needless to say Trinidad's next fight was against Winky Wright and he didn't land a punch.

 

True,

but Winky is bada@@ and real big guy. He has one of the best defenses in boxing.

He also got robbed against Taylor. HBO keeps trying to build him up & he is not that good.

Don't try to discount Mayorga. He had the belt and had serious power as well as a good chin. He did lack some technical skills which Oscar exploited, but many more were unable to due to being on the canvas from his shots.

JDV

 

Mayorga hadn't had a meaningful victory since the fight over an out-of-shape Vernon Forrest. He lost to Cory Spinks, got caught up in legal issues and got knocked out by Trinidad and DLH when he was in desperate need of money. By the time he got to DLH he was a routine opponent with an interim title. Basically a larger Auturo Gatti.