Obama Insults the democrat Base

Chi City 81 · Apr 13, 2008

Lugnuts said:

BitterYoungMatador2 said:

read a lotta people saying that he phrased it wrong. Ain't read too many that said the message was incorrect.
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Oh please - he's using such a broad brush he can't get it out of the paint can.

He generalized and stereotyped - exactly the thing he said in that speech we all shouldn't do.

This guy had a shot, you know? But he needed to pitch a shutout. "Cling to religion"... you've got to be fucking kidding me. He just gave up a 3-run double.
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Then don't vote for him. If you're going to twist something like that, when he was asked why some Pennsylvanians are remiss in voting for him, into some sort of insult of your entire way of life, then vote McCain. And enjoy four more years of Bush.

I'm through trying to defend Obama over every little thing that might offend someone, right or wrong. Please, by all means, vote for the man who called his wife a See You Next Tuesday and who wants to keep us in Iraq for 100 years. Have fun.

dixiehack · Apr 13, 2008

Zeke12 said:

"Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism.

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

There's the full quote. He's clearly talking about "clinging" to those things in regards to voting against their own economic interests.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why that upsets anyone. It's true. And, what's more, people know it's true.
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Some of us in flyover country aren't keen about having religion or gun ownership equated with being racist or xenophobic. We poor dumb shitkickers didn't know any better than to get our feelings hurt.

BitterYoungMatador2 · Apr 13, 2008

Lugnuts said:

BitterYoungMatador2 said:

read a lotta people saying that he phrased it wrong. Ain't read too many that said the message was incorrect.
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Oh please - he's using such a broad brush he can't get it out of the paint can.

He generalized and stereotyped - exactly the thing he said in that speech we all shouldn't do.

This guy had a shot, you know? But he needed to pitch a shutout. "Cling to religion"... you've got to be fucking kidding me. He just gave up a 3-run double.
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He didn't have a snowball's chance in hell in any of the communities that he spoke of. Hell, Lynn Swann was a black Republican that ran for governor in Pennsylvania and he was soundly defeated in the bread and butter conservative regions of the state in 2006. Most registered Republicans said "I'm voting for Rendell, but I'm holding my nose while I do it."

zeke12 · Apr 13, 2008

dixiehack said:

Zeke12 said:

"Here's how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism.

You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

There's the full quote. He's clearly talking about "clinging" to those things in regards to voting against their own economic interests.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why that upsets anyone. It's true. And, what's more, people know it's true.
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Some of us in flyover country aren't keen about having religion or gun ownership equated with being racist or xenophobic. We poor dumb shitkickers didn't know any better than to get our feelings hurt.
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Which is, of course, utter horseshit.

Take the following sentence:

After breaking up with a girlfriend, some folks turn to exercise or overeating or spending more time with friends or alcoholism.

Does this sentence equate exercise with alcoholism?

And spare me the poor dumb shitkicker routine. I'm from a Midwestern small town, and I didn't need to get no fancy book learnin' to spot false indignation from a mile away.

Write-brained · Apr 13, 2008

Jeez, this is such a non-issue it's frightening. I can't believe people allow themselves to get sucked into these non-stories.

This and Hilary's sniper fire et. al are amusing but they're hardly reason to vote on someone for president. I haven't seen a story on any of the real issues in a while.

LiveStrong · Apr 13, 2008

The Good Doctor said:

Dammit. I can't find the link right now, but Bill Clinton has said the same thing in the past. He's said that since people know most politicians can't or won't do anything to help them economically, they'll vote on guns, gays and religion.

I'll look for the link later.

I also find it amusing that a person who made $109 million last year has the stones to call Obama an elitist.
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This one?

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"
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Bill Clinton, 1991

Chi City 81 · Apr 13, 2008

No, but that works, too. I guess she was for this line of thinking before she was against it.

Write-brained · Apr 13, 2008

The Good Doctor said:

No, but that works, too. I guess she was for this line of thinking before she was against it.
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same goes for the war.

Lugnuts · Apr 13, 2008

BitterYoungMatador2 said:

He didn't have a snowball's chance in hell in any of the communities that he spoke of.
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Well, he's starting to lose my damn well-educated Starbucks vote, too.

"Cling to religion"...

The week before the Pope's visit....

Good one.

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Look - I'm letting my disappointment show. I'm rooting for this guy.

You can parse, contextualize and explain away his comments however you want... fine. But the bottom line is, HE JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THIS SHIT!

terrier · Apr 13, 2008

She and Bill actually made $109 million over the past SEVEN years, but her pot is still calling Obama's kettle black.

writing irish · Apr 13, 2008

So much for the far left having the monopoly on hypersensitive, crybaby whining. I guess Obama wasn't being P.C.

Seriously, if we can wring our hands over horseshit like this when there's a global economy swirling in the toilet bowl and a host of disasters going on in the Middle East, then fine. We deserve four more years of utterly discredited and destructive policies from the GOP. I echo Doc's frustration. Honestly- what the hell is the matter with people. If you'd rather vote for Hillary or McCain, fucking go for it. And enjoy what follows.

LiveStrong · Apr 13, 2008

"Bitter" and "Cling" may not have been the best words to use, but I like him even more after this.

I'm very interested to see how this plays out in Penn., especially with HRC handing out "I'm not bitter" buttons.

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