NYT on Jay Glazer's conflict of interest

Ben_Hecht · May 31, 2010

Strahan's no role model, in my mind.

beardpuller · May 31, 2010

SF_Express said:

shockey said:

SF_Express said:

His relationships lead to stories that NFL fans care about, regardless of what you think about how he goes about his business.
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this is all true. jay breaks many of the "journalism rules" we were raised to honor but that's the way of the biz now, like it or not. it's not a level playing field between electronic vs. print media.
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You know, for print, it raises the bigger question as the business changes more and more: Print has always had rules and ethics and honor about certain things. But if it means competing, how many of those things are going to have to be bent or broken if newspapers are going to keep up? There are already cracks -- some I welcome, but some I certainly don't. How many newspaper editors are going to have to say, "Well, these were the rules, but if everybody else is going to have to break them, we are, too."
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This is really my issue.
I really don't give a damn about Jay Glazer and would not exchange my career for his, but is the day coming when editors look askance at me because I'm not hanging out with/fist bumping/dressing like the players?

And yeah,he absolutely breaks stories, on my beat and everybody's else's in the NFL. There's more I could say about why that happens, but I'd just sound like a whiner.

BYH · Jun 1, 2010

beardpuller said:

SF_Express said:

shockey said:

SF_Express said:

His relationships lead to stories that NFL fans care about, regardless of what you think about how he goes about his business.
Click to expand...

this is all true. jay breaks many of the "journalism rules" we were raised to honor but that's the way of the biz now, like it or not. it's not a level playing field between electronic vs. print media.
Click to expand...

You know, for print, it raises the bigger question as the business changes more and more: Print has always had rules and ethics and honor about certain things. But if it means competing, how many of those things are going to have to be bent or broken if newspapers are going to keep up? There are already cracks -- some I welcome, but some I certainly don't. How many newspaper editors are going to have to say, "Well, these were the rules, but if everybody else is going to have to break them, we are, too."
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This is really my issue.
I really don't give a damn about Jay Glazer and would not exchange my career for his, but is the day coming when editors look askance at me because I'm not hanging out with/fist bumping/dressing like the players?

And yeah,he absolutely breaks stories, on my beat and everybody's else's in the NFL. There's more I could say about why that happens, but I'd just sound like a whiner.
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Would it have anything to do with Benjamin and/or Franklin?

Bubbler · Jun 1, 2010

Keep in mind that the rules and ethics of our profession work in our favor with some sources too. If someone knows you have a standard to uphold, some of them trust you more. If they think you'll fuck them over at the drop of a hat, you might get nothing.

playthrough · Jun 1, 2010

I'll become a mixed martial arts trainer, then get some scoops when athletes drop dead from laughing right in front of me.

Mizzougrad96 · Jun 1, 2010

beardpuller said:

SF_Express said:

shockey said:

SF_Express said:

His relationships lead to stories that NFL fans care about, regardless of what you think about how he goes about his business.
Click to expand...

this is all true. jay breaks many of the "journalism rules" we were raised to honor but that's the way of the biz now, like it or not. it's not a level playing field between electronic vs. print media.
Click to expand...

You know, for print, it raises the bigger question as the business changes more and more: Print has always had rules and ethics and honor about certain things. But if it means competing, how many of those things are going to have to be bent or broken if newspapers are going to keep up? There are already cracks -- some I welcome, but some I certainly don't. How many newspaper editors are going to have to say, "Well, these were the rules, but if everybody else is going to have to break them, we are, too."
Click to expand...

This is really my issue.
I really don't give a damn about Jay Glazer and would not exchange my career for his, but is the day coming when editors look askance at me because I'm not hanging out with/fist bumping/dressing like the players?

And yeah,he absolutely breaks stories, on my beat and everybody's else's in the NFL. There's more I could say about why that happens, but I'd just sound like a whiner.
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I'm guessing there are a lot of editors who read this article and think Glazer is a disgrace to the profession who will be complaining to their beat writers the next time Glazer kicks their ass on a story.

Elliotte Friedman · Jun 1, 2010

Glazer's situation is unique. I haven't seen another one like it. (At least, not that I can think of.)

I have a lot of respect for his reporting, though. He's earned his success; having done what many of us try to do -- work hard and create a place for himself. (And, that was before the MMA stuff even entered the picture. He'd established himself prior to that.)

But please spare me "print ethics" stuff. Tell me how his training athletes is any different than writing a book with one. And Les, you know I love ya, but the fist-bumping of athletes is not solely a broadcast phenomenon. There is a guy at your paper who trademarked that behaviour long before he became a TV star.

By the way, feels weird not seeing you at a Flyers Cup final.

Mizzougrad96 · Jun 1, 2010

Elliotte Friedman said:

Glazer's situation is unique. I haven't seen another one like it. (At least, not that I can think of.)

I have a lot of respect for his reporting, though. He's earned his success; having done what many of us try to do -- work hard and create a place for himself. (And, that was before the MMA stuff even entered the picture. He'd established himself prior to that.)

But please spare me "print ethics" stuff. Tell me how his training athletes is any different than writing a book with one. And Les, you know I love ya, but the fist-bumping of athletes is not solely a broadcast phenomenon. There is a guy at your paper who trademarked that behaviour long before he became a TV star.

By the way, feels weird not seeing you at a Flyers Cup final.
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Here's a conversation overheard at ESPN right now.

Chris Mortensen: Wow, that's terrible about Glazer. What a scumbag. No wonder he breaks all those stories. He's a disgrace. Boss, if anyone needs me, I'll be working on my story about how Jay Cutler is misunderstood and how he's the second coming of Joe Montana. No, I'm not doing that so Bus Cook will give me better access to Brett Favre, why would you think that?

beardpuller · Jun 1, 2010

That guy actually is not at my paper, Elliotte, though we share the same Web site. Confusing to us as well.
I will be there for Game 3, finally. Look forward to seeing you.

cortez · Jun 2, 2010

Glazer's constantly patting himself on the back really gets tiresome.

As I recall, he was hyping Matt Leinart before last season, about how his offseason workouts (Glazer's) had made him tougher, etc. How that work out?

Mizzougrad96 · Jun 2, 2010

cortez said:

Glazer's constantly patting himself on the back really gets tiresome.

As I recall, he was hyping Matt Leinart before last season, about how his offseason workouts (Glazer's) had made him tougher, etc. How that work out?
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Well, we won't know until he actually starts, but every indication is that the Cardinals are unhappy with Leinart this off-season. Glazer wrote early in the off-season that Leinart was doing well in MMA training during the off-season to add toughness, which may be true, but should be written by someone other than the person who was training him or with him.

Pancamo · Jun 2, 2010

Mizzougrad96 said:

cortez said:

Glazer's constantly patting himself on the back really gets tiresome.

As I recall, he was hyping Matt Leinart before last season, about how his offseason workouts (Glazer's) had made him tougher, etc. How that work out?
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Well, we won't know until he actually starts, but every indication is that the Cardinals are unhappy with Leinart this off-season. Glazer wrote early in the off-season that Leinart was doing well in MMA training during the off-season to add toughness, which may be true, but should be written by someone other than the person who was training him or with him.
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Glazer has to write that it is working to promote his company. Any story he writes that mentions his MMA training is a pure propaganda.

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