NYT Equality In The Military Editorial - Half the Story

Bob Cook · Feb 3, 2010

The Big Ragu said:

The Times endorsed Bill Clinton twice, and Hilary Clinton over Obama in the primary in New York State. It also endorsed her in her Senate runs.

My impression was always that the Times was always pretty friendly in its coverage of Bill Clinton. They didn't really break much with regard to his scandals. For example, wasn't it Newsweek that broke the whole Monica Lewinsky thing? I am sure the Times covered his scandals pretty well, but anyone with the resources covered it. It was news that was hard to ignore.

I don't know if there is anything insidious going on now. I doubt it. But the Times was not very hard in its coverage of Bill Clinton. My impression was that there was a bias favoring him, even if it was subtle. Let's not rewrite history, even if the premise of this thread is a reach (to me at least).
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The Times indeed pushed coverage of Whitewater and Travelgate, FWIW. But Ace's point stands that Clinton's policy was a compromise to allow gays to stay in the military. Plus, the Times was correct in putting the focus on the law passed by Congress a year after Clinton's order. If it were as simple as overturning an executive order, Obama could end DADT right this second.

fishhack2009 · Feb 3, 2010

WaylonJennings said:

Boom_70 said:

WaylonJennings said:

Boom_70 said:

WaylonJennings said:

Boom_70 said:

Today's NYT has a very good editorial in support of changing law to allow gays in the military.

Well done except it's missing key fact as to origins.

Not one mention of the fact that President Clinton created the term and Executive Order. It caste his first few weeks or presidency in to controversy. Policy was a result of his in ability to deliver on his campaign promise of allowing gays in military.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/opinion/03wed1.html?ref=opinion
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Do you think it's necessary to mention that? They have the year.
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Yes - it does not state facts clearly. "Don't Ask Don't Tell " was a Clinton created term for his executive order.

Times also has front page story today and again no mention of Bill Clinton. Strange since at the time is was such a huge issue.

One can only think............
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Think what?

Am I missing something? I seem to recall that the NYT was no big fan of Bill Clinton in office. Didn't it break just about every Clinton scandal, large and small?
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Here is today's front page story. Tell me what you think.

Does it seem incomplete on origins?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/us/politics/03military.html?ref=politics
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Yes. But I guess I don't understand what nefarious motive that advances. Has the NYT ev

WaylonJennings said:

Boom_70 said:

WaylonJennings said:

Boom_70 said:

Today's NYT has a very good editorial in support of changing law to allow gays in the military.

Well done except it's missing key fact as to origins.

Not one mention of the fact that President Clinton created the term and Executive Order. It caste his first few weeks or presidency in to controversy. Policy was a result of his in ability to deliver on his campaign promise of allowing gays in military.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/opinion/03wed1.html?ref=opinion
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Do you think it's necessary to mention that? They have the year.
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Yes - it does not state facts clearly. "Don't Ask Don't Tell " was a Clinton created term for his executive order.

Times also has front page story today and again no mention of Bill Clinton. Strange since at the time is was such a huge issue.

One can only think............
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Think what?

Am I missing something? I seem to recall that the NYT was no big fan of Bill Clinton in office. Didn't it break just about every Clinton scandal, large and small?
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er really been a friend to the Clintons?
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Boom: Is there a point to this, other than the chance to take yet another gratuitous swipe at Bill Clinton?

WaylonJennings said:

The Big Ragu said:

The Times endorsed Bill Clinton twice, and Hilary Clinton over Obama in the primary in New York State. It also endorsed her in her Senate runs.

My impression was always that the Times was always pretty friendly in its coverage of Bill Clinton. They didn't really break much with regard to his scandals. For example, wasn't it Newsweek that broke the whole Monica Lewinsky thing? I am sure the Times covered his scandals pretty well, but anyone with the resources covered it. It was news that was hard to ignore.

I don't know if there is anything insidious going on now. I doubt it. But the Times was not very hard in its coverage of Bill Clinton. My impression was that there was a bias favoring him, even if it was subtle. Let's not rewrite history, even if the premise of this thread is a reach (to me at least).
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I'm not rewriting history. I thought The Times was the publication pushing the Whitewater scandal hard, and maybe the Travelgate story, as well? If I'm wrong, it's because I'm honestly misremembering, not because I'm revising history.
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The NYT did indeed break the Whitewater story.

The main point of this thread is to take yet another gratuitous swipe at two right-wing targets at once: The NYT and Bill Clinton.

The Big Ragu · Feb 3, 2010

WaylonJennings said:

The Big Ragu said:

The Times endorsed Bill Clinton twice, and Hilary Clinton over Obama in the primary in New York State. It also endorsed her in her Senate runs.

My impression was always that the Times was always pretty friendly in its coverage of Bill Clinton. They didn't really break much with regard to his scandals. For example, wasn't it Newsweek that broke the whole Monica Lewinsky thing? I am sure the Times covered his scandals pretty well, but anyone with the resources covered it. It was news that was hard to ignore.

I don't know if there is anything insidious going on now. I doubt it. But the Times was not very hard in its coverage of Bill Clinton. My impression was that there was a bias favoring him, even if it was subtle. Let's not rewrite history, even if the premise of this thread is a reach (to me at least).
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I'm not rewriting history. I thought The Times was the publication pushing the Whitewater scandal hard, and maybe the Travelgate story, as well? If I'm wrong, it's because I'm honestly misremembering, not because I'm revising history.
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I didn't mean to come off that harsh with the rewriting history comment. Sorry. I just never thought the Times was particularly tough on Clinton. Their editorial pages always seemed friendly to him.

WaylonJennings · Feb 3, 2010

The Big Ragu said:

WaylonJennings said:

The Big Ragu said:

The Times endorsed Bill Clinton twice, and Hilary Clinton over Obama in the primary in New York State. It also endorsed her in her Senate runs.

My impression was always that the Times was always pretty friendly in its coverage of Bill Clinton. They didn't really break much with regard to his scandals. For example, wasn't it Newsweek that broke the whole Monica Lewinsky thing? I am sure the Times covered his scandals pretty well, but anyone with the resources covered it. It was news that was hard to ignore.

I don't know if there is anything insidious going on now. I doubt it. But the Times was not very hard in its coverage of Bill Clinton. My impression was that there was a bias favoring him, even if it was subtle. Let's not rewrite history, even if the premise of this thread is a reach (to me at least).
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I'm not rewriting history. I thought The Times was the publication pushing the Whitewater scandal hard, and maybe the Travelgate story, as well? If I'm wrong, it's because I'm honestly misremembering, not because I'm revising history.
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I didn't mean to come off that harsh with the rewriting history comment. Sorry. I just never thought the Times was particularly tough on Clinton. Their editorial pages always seemed friendly to him.
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It's all good. You're thinking of editorial page coverage. I'm thinking A1.

Boom_70 · Feb 3, 2010

Sorry but this is bad journalism. You cannot write a story about "Don't ask don't tell " and not mention it's origin.

To argue anything else is being intellectually dishonest.

The Gays in Military became a major issue for Clinton from day 1 of his Presidency.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/20/us/gay-rights-th-military-chiefs-back-clinton-gay-troop-plan-president-admits.html?scp=45&sq=Bill+Clinton&st=nyt

Flying Headbutt · Feb 3, 2010

Yeah, it was Clinton's compromise after the bigots in Congress went apeshit over the idea. This is revisionist history on your part, Boomer, to imply that Clinton was the bad guy on this one.

Boom_70 · Feb 3, 2010

Flying Headbutt said:

Yeah, it was Clinton's compromise after the bigots in Congress went apeshit over the idea. This is revisionist history on your part, Boomer, to imply that Clinton was the bad guy on this one.
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No it's not. Clinton should have never compromised on his campaign promise. He did not have to issue his executive order.

Serious FHB do you think the stories the Times wrote today are missing a few key parts.?

Flying Headbutt · Feb 3, 2010

The editorial you posted isn't, no. Compromise shouldn't always be considered failure. It was the best he could get at the time, and is progressing to this point. Is it good enough? No. But it's better than what was before.

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