NY Times: President Obama would be beheaded

JayFarrar · May 12, 2008

I don't know what the hell to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings.
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Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards.
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PeteyPirate · May 12, 2008

That article is bullshit. Everybody knows Obama never really converted to Christianity. It's a front. I read it in an e-mail.

Chi City 81 · May 12, 2008

JayFarrar said:

I don't know what the hell to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings.
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Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards.
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This makes no sense. He didn't convert from Islam. He was never a Muslim.

PeteyPirate · May 12, 2008

The Good Doctor said:

JayFarrar said:

I don't know what the hell to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings.
...
Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards.
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This makes no sense. He didn't convert from Islam. He was never a Muslim.
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Yes he was, according to Islamic law. Your dad's a Muslim? So are you.

Fenian_Bastard · May 12, 2008

Oh. My. God.
Everyone keep zeke away from the board for a while.

Chi City 81 · May 12, 2008

FirstDownPirates said:

The Good Doctor said:

JayFarrar said:

I don't know what the hell to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings.
...
Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards.
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This makes no sense. He didn't convert from Islam. He was never a Muslim.
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Yes he was, according to Islamic law. Your dad's a Muslim? So are you.
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Everything I've read said Obama's father was an agnostic/atheist.

JayFarrar · May 12, 2008

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.
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Apparently, it doesn't matter that Obama was never a Muslim in the first place.
And Bob Somerby blew a gasket on this one ...

We never cease to be amazed at the endless varieties of bad judgment offered by the upper-end press corps. In our view, Edward Luttwak’s op-ed in today New York Times breaks new ground in this regard. We’ll assume that most of what follows is accurate. The gruesome bad judgment comes into play when we realize who Luttwak is discussing:
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PeteyPirate · May 12, 2008

The Good Doctor said:

FirstDownPirates said:

The Good Doctor said:

JayFarrar said:

I don't know what the hell to say.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).
With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings.
...
Because no government is likely to allow the prosecution of a President Obama — not even those of Iran and Saudi Arabia, the only two countries where Islamic religious courts dominate over secular law — another provision of Muslim law is perhaps more relevant: it prohibits punishment for any Muslim who kills any apostate, and effectively prohibits interference with such a killing.
At the very least, that would complicate the security planning of state visits by President Obama to Muslim countries, because the very act of protecting him would be sinful for Islamic security guards.
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This makes no sense. He didn't convert from Islam. He was never a Muslim.
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Yes he was, according to Islamic law. Your dad's a Muslim? So are you.
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Everything I've read said Obama's father was an agnostic/atheist.
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An agnostic/atheist born to a Muslim father. Ergo, a Muslim.

NDub · May 12, 2008

What a stupid freakin' column.

JayFarrar · May 12, 2008

Next week the Times will run a speculative article stating that President Hillary Clinton would be unable to travel to Muslim countries while she's on her period.
She'd be viewed as unclean and subject to beheading.
In the words of Leo McGarry, maybe all this ends when the American flag is flying from Mecca and we've bombed them all back into the stone ages.

Fenian_Bastard · May 12, 2008

JayFarrar said:

Next week the Times will run a speculative article stating that President Hillary Clinton would be unable to travel to Muslim countries while she's on her period.
She'd be viewed as unclean and subject to beheading.
In the words of Leo McGarry, maybe all this ends when the American flag is flying from Mecca and we've bombed them all back into the stone ages.
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Or allegedly smart editors could stop running dumbass columns.

BYH · May 12, 2008

how bout that liberal media!!!!

Can't wait for the next time the board's head yeehaw gripes about the Times and how mean it is to conservatives.

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