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Novak names Rove, others

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by dog428, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. dog428

    dog428 Active Member

    If it's a d_b, my apologies.


    Wondering how that "I will fire whoever is responsible for the leak" thing is gonna play out?

    I also love Novak's defense: "I never would have used her name if I thought she would be in danger."

    No chance, what with her being a counter-terrorism CIA agent, that she would have contacts across the world who might be in danger if her identity was revealed. Naaaaahhhhhhh.

    And these jackasses in the White House wonder why no one takes them seriously when they jump up and down and scream about someone leaking "classified" documents. I guess leaking classified stuff is only a bad thing if you're not using the classified stuff for purely political reasons or endangering lives.
  2. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    Hey, a useful post.

    You're still a ball of shit, though.
  3. dog428

    dog428 Active Member

    Is there some reason for you not using Sauronseye as your screen name?

    Everyone here knows that's who you are. Same miserable shit attitude, same look-at-me-I'm-a-great-big-dick approach to posting, same stalking tendencies.

    Go away now. The orderlies are gonna be plenty pissed if they catch you out of your cell this time of night.
  4. DyePack

    DyePack New Member

    Is it taken?

    That's sort of long, though.
  5. HejiraHenry

    HejiraHenry Well-Known Member

    I think it's widely accepted that Richard Armitage was the original source of the leak.

    The President can't fire him as he's no longer in the service of his country.

    Novak seems to make it clear that, having been handed the information by the source he has not identified, that Rove and the other source provided some form of confirmation.

    Whatever. It's also equally clear that no law was broken by "leaking" the name of Valerie Plame, who was listed by Joe Wilson as his wife in Who's Who.

    The whole thing was a farce.
  6. dog428

    dog428 Active Member

    Ah, well, that settles it then. HejiraHenry from sportsjournalists.com has hammered this bitch out for everybody.

    Oh, wait, what's that Mr. Johnson? There's more to the story:

    By Larry Johnson

    The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States.  Republicans' talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie Plame as liars.  That is the truly big lie.
    For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak.  Novak's column was not an isolated attack.  It was in fact part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.

    Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA.  I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985.  All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies.  We had official cover.  That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport.  If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

    A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer.  That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport.  If caught in that status she would have been executed.

    The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey.  Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world.  When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.
    The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken".  I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached.  For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC.  They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

    They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied".  Although Joe did not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion.  Let's use the same standard for the Bush Administration.  Here are the facts.  Bush's lies have resulted in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000.  Joe Wilson has not killed anyone.  He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans and the loss of American prestige in the world.

    But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report.  Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact emerges on page 52 of the report:  According to the US Ambassador to Niger (who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on."  Joe's findings were consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major General Fulford.

    The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job.  She did not.  She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major.  Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.

    At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right.  There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.  It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because of that lie Americans are dying.  Shame on those who continue to slander Joe Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass.  That's the true outrage.

    Johnson's bio: Larry C. Johnson is the Managing Partner and founder of BERG Associates, LLC, an international business-consulting firm based in Washington, D.C. that specializes in counter terrorism and money laundering investigations. Prior to forming BERG, Mr. Johnson worked with the Central Intelligence Agency (1985-1989) and the Department of State's Office of the Coordinator for Counter Terrorsim (1989-1993).
    Since 1994 Mr. Johnson has helped script terrorism exercises for the U.S. military forces that have the counter terrorism mission.

    Mr. Johnson also has served as an instructor for the U.S. State Department's Anti-Terrorism Training Program, where he has lectured on Current Terrorist Threats and Trends and on International Accords for Combating Terrorism to officials from more than 45 countries. Mr. Johnson has directed or participated in the forensic audits of banks and casinos Latin America, tested procedures and systems for detecting and preventing money laundering, and directed the forensic audit of a multi-million dollar business suspected of money laundering in the Colon Free Zone of Panama.

    Mr. Johnson manages and directs BERG Associates investigations of international fraud and product counterfeiting, which has resulted in the confiscation of products worth one million dollars, fines totaling $500,000, and criminal penalties for the offenders.

  7. Actually, the person investigating it has specifically said it'snot "clear" at all, which is why he's chosen not to prosecute it. The Who's Who business is a dumbass talking point spewed by folks who don't know any better.(Hint: her exact occupation, which is sort of the point, is not listed there.) The director of operations at the CIA also works at a desk in Langley. If I tell you who he/sheis, I go to jail.
    Remember --only leaks of classified information that benefit the political side of the operation are allowed.
  8. Webster

    Webster Well-Known Member

    I don't think that there was any intent to out an undercover agent -- these guys just didn't care that she was wounded in the attack.

    Their first reaction when confronted with opposition was not to prove that their facts were accurate, it was to smear the person who dared speak out against the administration. Rove and co. didn't tell Novak that there actually was uranium going from Niger to Iraq, that the rationale for war was based in truth -- it was to spread the story that Wilson only got the job from his wife and that Cheney didn't personally authorize the trip.

    "On the first hour of the first day he will restore decency and integrity to the Oval Office. He will show us that national leaders can be true to their word and that they can get things done by reaching across the partisan aisle, and working with political opponents in good faith and common purpose."
  9. dog428

    dog428 Active Member

    Fenian, that's one thing I've never understood about the Whos Who line of thinking.

    These CIA folks, they're not all housed at a government dorm and prohibited from leading normal lives. They simply don't talk about their work and make every effort -- and I mean every effort -- to separate their work lives and personal lives. A lot of that separation involves false businesses and government fronts. That Valerie Plame was married and included in the Whos Who list with her husband is part of her personal life and has absolutely no effect on her work life. Leaking her name and where she works, that's a whole other ballgame.

    Is it that hard to understand?
  10. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    It's only hard to understand if you are grasping at straws to "legitimize" the outings as the righties keep trying to do.

    The best example I can think of to counter the Who's Who argument is this:

    Let's say Jerri Spurrier, wife of football coach Steve Spurrier, was a CIA agent all these years.

    Would the fact that she has been mentioned as "Steve Spurrier's wife, Jerri" in numerous media guides out her as a CIA agent?

    Of course not.

    So PLEASE do not insult our intelligence with these "Who's Who" references any more.
  11. Steve Spurrier's wife?
    Now you've done it.
  12. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    She had it coming. Spurrier is the devil.

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