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NL MVP

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Columbo, Oct 1, 2006.

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Who is it?

  1. Ryan Howard (incredible second half, but 2 HRs and 11 RBI in final 21 games as Phils died)

    19 vote(s)
    57.6%
  2. Albert Pujols (Many numbers pale with Howard's, but he had a huge finish)

    14 vote(s)
    42.4%
  1. Columbo

    Columbo Active Member

    I wrote one thing, content-wise.

    You wrote something else.
     
  2. beefncheddar

    beefncheddar Guest

    Fine. What exactly is this "it" you're suggesting Howard didn't get done? Should I assume Pujols managed to do "it," despite the Cardinals pretty much losing every game they played for the last two weeks?
     
  3. SnoopyBoy

    SnoopyBoy Member

    Well, considering you'd have to vote 10 players for the NL MVP in the BBWAA voting, Berkman WOULD make your ballot. He's third, at worst. Unless you put Beltran ahead of him. Name one other good hitter on the Astros...
     
  4. Claws for Concern

    Claws for Concern Active Member

    Is there any chance of a darkhorse MVP winner? Kirk Gibson won NL MVP in 1988 with decent, but unspectacular numbers.
     
  5. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    Howard. Without him, the Phillies never make the charge, let alone come close. The Cardinals made the playoffs, sure, but there's no doubt from this past month who deserves it. And last month in the baseball thread, I said Pujols.
     
  6. Chi City 81

    Chi City 81 Guest

    Oz, you ignorant slut. Everyone on God's green earth knows that Pujols is the best player in baseball not named A-Rod. Now give up the argument before I put my steel-toed boot in your ass again.
     
  7. Oz

    Oz Well-Known Member

    You know, I didn't even realize Columbo lobbied for Pujols until this season. Whew, I'm glad I came down on the right side of the fence there. Had I actually agreed with him on NL postseason awards ...
     
  8. BYH

    BYH Active Member

    Don't envy the voters on this one.

    I'm usually one of the guys that believes the award should go to a player on a playoff team, but the Cardinals suck. Pujols had a great year but I'd go for Howard, who was a fucking beast as the Phils surged back into contention.
     
  9. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Gibson wasn't a dark horse MVP, though. He was a free-agent signee who single-handedly -- well, along with Hershiser's career year -- turned around a team that had won 73 games the previous two seasons. He was the unquestioned leader of a mediocre roster that had no business finishing third in the NL West, let alone winning the World Series.

    Seriously, <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/1988.shtml">look at that roster</a> ... Marshall's the only other decent hitter on that team. Alfredo Griffin hit .199 as their starting SS. Mike Davis hit .196 in 281 ABs. Corner infielders Stubbs and Hamilton each hit under .240. That offense was terrible! The pitching was strong at the back end, but the Timothys, Leary and Belcher, don't strike fear in the hearts of men at the top of the rotation. ... The Mets-A's World Series, which it should have been, would have been an absolute mind-blower. Instead, we got one of the top 3 home runs in history (along with Maz, and Bobby T.) and a monumental Series upset.

    Sure, Gibby's numbers don't stand out compared to Strawberry or Will Clark that year -- and Kevin McReynolds(!) inexplicably stole four of Straw's first-place MVP votes -- but Gibson was the clear, deserving winner of the award in '88. His numbers don't even come close to telling the whole story ... and that's before you even get to his postseason. :D
     
  10. Columbo

    Columbo Active Member

    If what Pujols did in the last week isn't the very essence of Most Valuable, they should rename the award right now.

    I mean, honestly, make up your mind.

    First, you bozos blather on about how it isn't "player of the year"... and then you guys pull out Player of the Year rationale for Howard.

    Howard sucked the tailpipe like he was Paris Hilton for the final three weeks of the season.

    Even that asshat Oz, who used that struggled-down-the-stretch rationale to disqualify Dan Uggla (actually, Oz picked out seven games, one-third the number that Howard blew chunks in... hilarious little fucker) from rookie of the year (which as he pointed out when he was trying to work the other side of the fence in ripping Uggla, does not carry MVP-type requirements), is going two-face and not applying the standard on Howard.... only because his simple guacamole-filled orb on his neck can't ever allow him to agree with me.

    Little lemming.
     
  11. beefncheddar

    beefncheddar Guest

    So cute to see people so worked up and confident over something so incorrect. Let's take a deeper look at Pujols' brilliant last week (we'll refute your Howard nonsense in the next post):

    9/24 at Hou: 2-for-3, 0 runs, 0 RBIs in a loss
    9/25 vs. SD: 1-for-4, 0 runs, 1 RBIs in a loss
    9/26 vs. SD: 2-for-3, 1 run, 0 RBIs in a loss
    9/27 vs. SD: 2-for-4, 2 runs, 3 RBIs in 4-2 win
    9/28 vs. Mil: 0-for-4, 0 runs, 0 RBIs in a loss
    9/29 vs. Mil: 1-for-4, 1 run, 3 RBIs in blowout win
    9/30 vs. Mil: 2-for-4, 1 run, 0 RBIs in 3-2 win

    So, the totals for Pujols' "brilliant" last week: 10-for-26 (.384), 5 runs, 7 RBIs. And ONE MVP moment, the three-run bomb against SD. BTW, his team was 3-4 in those 7 games.

    Yeah. THAT'S the stuff MVP's are made of.
     
  12. beefncheddar

    beefncheddar Guest

    Because I neither have the time, nor patience to list three weeks worth of games to refute an argument so ridiculous, here are Howard's stats over the final three weeks (That's right, actual data to back up an argument. What a concept, huh?):

    24-for-68 (.353)
    12 runs
    13 RBIs
    27 walks
    Team's record: 13-6

    Yeah, those guys that hit .353 are terrible. Certainly the type of stuff that "sucking the tailpipe" is made of, huh?
     
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