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NL Cy Young?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by KevinmH9, Aug 27, 2009.

  1. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Jimenez is carrying a substandard team
     
  2. spnited

    spnited Active Member


    But you can't just ignore his substandard (actually, pathetic) April.
     
  3. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    And, while Coors isn't the absolute launching pad it was 10 years ago, it is still No. 1 in pro-hitter park factor this year.

    St. Louis is 27th.

    3.36 ERA at Coors on a team in a playoff spot.... yes, he should be in the discussion.
     
  4. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    14-3, 2.16 ERA.

    And no, Jimenez is not in the discussion
     
  5. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    I'd also pick Happ over the guys you are spouting and over Jimenez, too.
     
  6. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Lincecum: 12-4, 2.43 ERA, 26 GS, 185.1 IP, 142 H, 214 K, 51 BB, 1.041 WHIP
    Cain: 12-4, 2.39 ERA, 26 GS, 177.1 IP, 143 H, 133 K, 61 BB, 1.150 WHIP
    Carpenter: 14-3, 2.16 ERA, 21 GS, 145.2 IP, 117 H, 111 K, 23 BB, 0.961 WHIP
    Wainwright: 15-7, 2.50 ERA, 27 GS, 187 IP, 172 H, 157 K, 54 BB, 1.209 WHIP

    Jimenez: 12-9, 3.36 ERA, 26 GS, 174.1 IP, 146 H, 154 K, 66 BB, 1.216 WHIP

    No way. Even adding in the "Coors effect."
     
  7. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Happ: 10-2, 2.59 ERA, 17 GS (29 G), 135.2 IP, 110 H, 93 K, 49 BB, 1.172 WHIP.

    No way a guy with 23-24 starts gets a first-place vote, especially when there are four uber-strong candidates.
     
  8. Shaggy

    Shaggy Guest

    1. Lincecum
    2. Carpenter
    3. Cain

    Very willing to flip 1 and 2 depending on how the season plays out. St. Louis blew Carpenter's 15th win today. Haren and Wainwright could still play his way into the top three, too.
     
  9. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Again, awful ballpark.

    But, OK, I can go for that.
     
  10. trifectarich

    trifectarich Well-Known Member

    Santana???? That's like looking at the yearly list of eligible Hall of Famers and thinking Cookie Rojas has a shot.
     
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    1. Carpenter
    2. Cain
    3. Lincecum
    4. Wainwright

    And any of the four could easily take it with a strong September. When in doubt, IMHO, rank 'em by the ERA.

    Happ is pitching as well as anybody right now, but he doesn't have enough starts to be considered over those top four even with the ballpark.

    Unfortunately for Jimenez, April's stats count, too, and his overall numbers put him no better than sixth right now. And even then, you might have to consider Wandy Rodriguez (12-8, 2.82 ERA) or Dan Haren (12-8, 2.73 ERA). Both of those guys pitch for weaker teams and both also have tough home ballparks.
     
  12. PopeDirkBenedict

    PopeDirkBenedict Active Member

    1. Lincecum
    2. Carpenter
    3. Cain
    4. Wainwright
     
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