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NL Cy Young: Holy close vote, Batman

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by mb, Nov 19, 2009.

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  1. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    I saw him live three times and a number of other times on TV. No offense taken. I said he had a great year.
    If he really should have been in the conversation, maybe he would have made more than one ballot? He showed up on one whole ballot.

    And I've amended - put him in the Vasquez-Jurrjens-Hanson trio. They left Lowe in the dust. You can make a case for any of those three I think, including Vasquez, as the Braves best in 2009. I choose Jurrjens. I darn sure don't think Vasquez left the other two in the dust.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 19, 2009
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  2. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    I find it ridiculous that all those votes went to Wainwright that should have gone to Carpenter, Haren and Vazquez
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 19, 2009
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  3. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Not Haren. No way. Those votes, I can't defend.
     
    buckweaver, Nov 19, 2009
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  4. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    To me, the top 3 were the three who should have received the votes. But, hell, what do I know?

    Does Vasquez belong in a top 10? No question. A top three? Not in my mind.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 19, 2009
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  5. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Why does Wainwright belong there, in your mind?
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 19, 2009
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  6. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    Not Haren?

    What the issue there?

    1.00 whip

    5.87 K/BB

    Incredible.

    He had three consecutive shitty starts to end the season. I will give you that.
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 19, 2009
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  7. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    2.63 > 3.14 is a huge difference. You know that.
     
    buckweaver, Nov 19, 2009
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  8. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    19 wins. Led league. Led league in innings, too.
    Strong ERA (not Carpenter strong but I'll take 2.63)
    More than 200Ks

    Why does he not? Hell, a dozen folks thought he should win the thing. Not sure they're wrong.
     
    Moderator1, Nov 19, 2009
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  9. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    What is 1.00 compared with 1.21?

    I don't believe I heard you chirping about ERA so passionately in 1996.
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 19, 2009
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  10. jagtrader

    jagtrader Active Member

    Of course. That's how he operates.

    People discounting Carpenter because he pulled an oblique and missed five weeks look pretty silly. It's kind of like saying Koufax isn't a HOFer because his career was too short.

    You have to acknowledge dominance with these awards. That's their purpose. Carpenter's adjusted ERA was 183, the best in the NL since 2005 (when roided Clemens was 226). Voting for Lincecum is fine. He probably should have won. Leaving Carpenter off the ballot is inexcusable. He had a higher ERA+ than Johan Santana EVER produced. It was a truly great 192 innings.
     
    jagtrader, Nov 19, 2009
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  11. Simon_Cowbell

    Simon_Cowbell Active Member

    I agree with that

    Again, I reference 1996
     
    Simon_Cowbell, Nov 19, 2009
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  12. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Aren't you the one who was screaming even louder than me a while back that ERA is by far the most important statistic?
     
    outofplace, Nov 19, 2009
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