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New Jersey abolishes death penalty

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by spnited, Dec 17, 2007.

  1. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I'm sure they did something to deserve it. Perhaps had shifty eyes or impure thoughts.
     
  2. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    Maybe they lived downtown.
     
  3. zeke12

    zeke12 Guest

    Or they were black.

    Batman feels bad about that. Just not bad enough to change it.
     
  4. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    Course the minute a death penalty advocate admits an innocent person has been murdered by the state, he/she/it will probably spontaneously combust because that means he/she/it will have to face the fact that he/she/it has been complicit in the murder of an innocent human being all because of this country's collective thirst for blood.

    Hence why the advocates continue to claim that no innocent person has ever been executed, despite all the cases of innocent men and women found on death row, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, despite the fact that common sense should tell you otherwise.

    Course what do I know. I'm just a commie, pacifist Quaker.
     
  5. Gold

    Gold Active Member

    Songbird: I do have a seven-yer-old daughter. And I have a 12-year-old daughter. I had a sister-in-law who was killed by her husband, who then killed himself.

    If somebody harmed my daughters, I probably would want to strangle them and beat them in ways which were horrible.

    But we have a justice system for a reason. The justice system is far from perfect, but it probably would resolve it better than I would as a parent out my mind with grief. I could kill the wrong person. Or the person who did that too my daughter could be a person not in their right mind.

    When the priest conducting my sister-in-law's funeral Mass spoke, he said it is OK to be angry and that Jesus Christ got angry. But he also pointed out that Jesus Christ, a victim of capital punishment, said "Father, forgive them, they know not what they do." That statement from the priest helped me to make sense of a senseless killing.

    I have made a lot of arguments against capital punishment on previous threads. I don't do it as well as Sister Helen Prejean, who wrote a book about capital punishment which inspired the movie, Dead Man Walking. One point she made is that executing a killer usually didn't bring peace to the victim's family.

    Giving somebody life in prison without parole is not a soft punishment. It is the maximum which is appropriate for any justice system which is not completely perfect.
     
  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am against the death penalty. But the innocence project almost makes the case for it, if you are for it. The innocence project went back to old pre-DNA testing cases and got convictions overturned by testing old evidence. One could argue, though, that with DNA testing the norm now, they are less likely to wrongly convict someone than they were in 1982. I don't really believe this. Nor do I think we should be executing anyone -- not even the guy caught slitting someone's throat with 100 eyewitnesses and 50 surveillance cameras. It's barbaric. Just playing devil's advocate...
     
  7. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=6&did=110

    http://www.icadp.org/page5.html

    http://www.northwestern.edu/observer/issues/2003-01-23/deathpenalty.html

    http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wrongfulconvictions/exonerations/

    I'm obviously an opponent of the death penalty. To Ragu's point about DNA testing, I think with what's at stake in any death-penalty case, it's worth revisiting the original evidence in order to avoid killing an innocent party.

    The error rate in Illinois before they took the death penalty off the books was about ten percent. Ten percent.
     
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