My Nice, New Layoff Story

Fredrick · Nov 23, 2008

I've been in management for a number of years now and have never been told to lie. However, there is information I had I could not disclose.
If I was ever asked a question from a staff member about sensitive info, I merely replied I couldn't talk about it.
Its just the way it is when you assume greater responsibility.
You know, those that haven't been in management think they are all "lying fucks", but there's a great deal of stress involved when you are dealing with people's livlihoods and careers, and most that I've encountered struggle greatly with difficult decisions.
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I would have no problem with the way you presented how you handle things, EE. You've never been asked to lie and you handle the questions well without issuing a lie. Petty I realize it's not unique to newspapers. I'm just saying if somebody takes orders to lie and does so, that person is a coward and to me if a piece of human dung. If you two do not lie, then again you have my respect.

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

Fredrick said:

I've been in management for a number of years now and have never been told to lie. However, there is information I had I could not disclose.
If I was ever asked a question from a staff member about sensitive info, I merely replied I couldn't talk about it.
Its just the way it is when you assume greater responsibility.
You know, those that haven't been in management think they are all "lying fucks", but there's a great deal of stress involved when you are dealing with people's livlihoods and careers, and most that I've encountered struggle greatly with difficult decisions.
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I would have no problem with the way you presented how you handle things, EE. You've never been asked to lie and you handle the questions well without issuing a lie. Petty I realize it's not unique to newspapers. I'm just saying if somebody takes orders to lie and does so, that person is a coward and to me if a piece of human dung. If you two do not lie, then again you have my respect.
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nobody takes orders to lie. but you do take orders not to talk about certain matters. it's how you handle the questions is what's being debated here.

and if you believe managers should discuss closed-door meetings with non management, you're a fucking child.

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

EE94 said:

I agree with the aging Super Bowl halftime act
I've been in management for a number of years now and have never been told to lie. However, there is information I had I could not disclose.
If I was ever asked a question from a staff member about sensitive info, I merely replied I couldn't talk about it.
Its just the way it is when you assume greater responsibility.
You know, those that haven't been in management think they are all "lying fucks", but there's a great deal of stress involved when you are dealing with people's livlihoods and careers, and most that I've encountered struggle greatly with difficult decisions.
Unfortunately, though, those decisions have to be made and that's the gig.
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Saying you can't talk about it is talking about it; saying you have nothing to worry about is lying.
This SE lied about another man's livelihood -- someone who did nothing more wrong than to be the low man on the totem pole...
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saying you can't talk about it is talking about it, is a joke, slappy. the guy approached the manager. should the manager lose his job to be "honest" with an employee who upper management hadn't made up their mind about?

if someone thinks my kids are going to go hungry because they ask me something i've been told to not talk about by my bosses, well, they are high.

slappy4428 · Nov 23, 2008

Have a good night's sleep.

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

Have a good night's sleep.
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WTF? lose a job for a guy who doesn't even make his 90-day review? yeah, would you?

slappy4428 · Nov 23, 2008

Depends on why he didn't make it: his work (which a manager would explain he needed work on things) or management deciding to cut him for no fault of his own.

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

Depends on why he didn't make it: his work (which a manager would explain he needed work on things) or management deciding to cut him for no fault of his own.
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what everybody here fails to mention is the guy didn't even make it to his review ... yet everybody wants to kill his manager, which i think is bullshit.

ever think the guy just sucked? there, i said it.

slappy4428 · Nov 23, 2008

No one said he didn't (of course, that was infered in the post you quoted bout "depending on why he didn't make it: His Work")
Reading is FUNdamental
But he asked and the boss lied.

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

No one said he didn't (of course, that was infered in the post you quoted bout "depending on why he didn't make it: His Work")
Reading is FUNdamental
But he asked and the boss lied.
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because, obviously, his fate hadn't been decided by his superiors. what the fuck would you want from his boss?: "you may or may not be employed here next week."

shit doesn't work that way because it's not fair to the employee.

and FUNdamental? yeah, no shit. figure it out.

EE94 · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

No one said he didn't (of course, that was infered in the post you quoted bout "depending on why he didn't make it: His Work")
Reading is FUNdamental
But he asked and the boss lied.
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not really. the boss had told him repeatedly that "you never know when you might be out of a job", and hadn't put him on the schedule.
The guy sounds pretty clueless, to the point where if I was his boss and the guy was unable to read the obvious signs, I might have also said "don't worry about it" until he next showed up for work

slappy4428 · Nov 23, 2008

JD said:

I probably could have posted this sooner, but I just haven't had the time......Job hunting will do that.

Anyhow, I was cut from a certain MNG paper in Vacaville, CA that will go unnamed. (Haha)
Two weeks ago, My SE told me about cutbacks at the Contra Costa Times (MNG rag), and he told me to "Get ready. We could all walk in here tomorrow and be out of a job."

He would reiterate that again the next day. I started to take the hint, and looked at the upcoming sports dept. schedule (We had a schedule that described who did what game, what page, etc, each day), My name was not on it. I thought, "Ok, maybe he didn't finish it."

But I did some more deep thinking, and I hadn't received my medical healthcare packet (I was hired in August), and my 90-day probationary period was about two weeks from passing. I thought that was funny, because I should have had that information already filed so my benefits would be effective December 1. So, I called my SE the next day (I was off, he was at the shop), and asked him if I was working that week, and what the deal was. He told me not to worry, just come in Tuesday at 3 o'clock like always (Off Sunday/Monday).

I come in on Tuesday, and apparently word had gotten around about my suspicions. I was at my desk for about five minutes, until my SE said "Let's go into my office." I knew that was it. Awaiting us in the office was our HR rep and the ME. I was given the good 'ol speech and was told I could walk out that day, or finish out the week. I chose to finish out the week, which ended this past Friday, November 14. I needed the money, so I feel I did the right thing.

This is my second time being laid off by MNG. Never again. FUCK YOU LEAN DEAN!
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Sounds like he read signs to me...

Tom Petty · Nov 23, 2008

slappy4428 said:

JD said:

I probably could have posted this sooner, but I just haven't had the time......Job hunting will do that.

Anyhow, I was cut from a certain MNG paper in Vacaville, CA that will go unnamed. (Haha)
Two weeks ago, My SE told me about cutbacks at the Contra Costa Times (MNG rag), and he told me to "Get ready. We could all walk in here tomorrow and be out of a job."

He would reiterate that again the next day. I started to take the hint, and looked at the upcoming sports dept. schedule (We had a schedule that described who did what game, what page, etc, each day), My name was not on it. I thought, "Ok, maybe he didn't finish it."

But I did some more deep thinking, and I hadn't received my medical healthcare packet (I was hired in August), and my 90-day probationary period was about two weeks from passing. I thought that was funny, because I should have had that information already filed so my benefits would be effective December 1. So, I called my SE the next day (I was off, he was at the shop), and asked him if I was working that week, and what the deal was. He told me not to worry, just come in Tuesday at 3 o'clock like always (Off Sunday/Monday).

I come in on Tuesday, and apparently word had gotten around about my suspicions. I was at my desk for about five minutes, until my SE said "Let's go into my office." I knew that was it. Awaiting us in the office was our HR rep and the ME. I was given the good 'ol speech and was told I could walk out that day, or finish out the week. I chose to finish out the week, which ended this past Friday, November 14. I needed the money, so I feel I did the right thing.

This is my second time being laid off by MNG. Never again. FUCK YOU LEAN DEAN!
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Sounds like he read signs to me...
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i think the key word there is "second."

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