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MVPs

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MankyJimy, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Reinforces the idea of being Most VALUABLE, too.
     
  2. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Morosi brought this up the other day, too. This logic presumes that Cabrera's switch freed up a spot for Fielder to get more at-bats. But Fielder was always going to play, so it really didn't matter if Cabrera moved to third or DH because both of them were going to be in the lineup regardless.

    Cabrera was originally offered a chance to DH full-time, and he declined. His move to third meant Delmon Young became the DH instead of the starting left fielder. (It also meant Brandon Inge was expendable.) After all the shuffling was done, Cabrera's switch actually freed up a spot for Andy Dirks or Quintin Berry to get more at-bats as the primary left fielder. That's not a whole lot of extra offense.

    If Cabrera had done what the team had asked, the Tigers would have had this lineup:

    1B Fielder
    DH Cabrera
    3B Inge
    LF Young

    But because Cabrera made the switch, they ended up with this lineup:

    1B Fielder
    DH Young
    3B Cabrera
    LF Dirks/Berry

    The infield defense is provably, demonstrably worse (though the outfield defense is better without Young there), and the offense isn't a whole lot better than it would have been in the first place (assuming Inge stays on the team and/or stays healthy, which isn't a given.)

    So you're really looking at Inge vs. Dirks/Berry. Did that improve the team or ... did it make the Tigers worse? Should Cabrera get credit for that? Is there any credit to be given?

    I sure don't think it's obvious that Cabrera's switch helped the team, overall. And I think a case could be made that it actually made the Tigers worse. Doesn't help his MVP case, that's for sure.
     
  3. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Andy Dirks has been exceptional this year. He's easily the team's fourth-best hitter.
     
  4. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Who wants to be a DH when you're in your prime?

    [ "Don't fuck with happy." -- Elliotte. ]
     
  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Also, isn't Delmon Young a lousy defensive outfielder?
     
  6. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    buckweaver mentioned that.
     
  7. buckweaver

    buckweaver Active Member

    Bring back Larry Herndon!
     
  8. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Whither Bobby Higginson?
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Ah, I missed it. So he did.
     
  10. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Shame he's not clean.
     
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Shame you say that about everybody who dares to be good for an NL Central team other than the Cubs.
     
  12. printit

    printit Member

    Good point. In the rush to make my bigger point I left a couple of huge holes in the smaller one. If someone is the best offensive player, they should not lose to someone who was an inferior offensive player just because the inferior offensive player's team made the postseason. If inferior offensive player made up for the gap with his defense, fine.
    And, while I agree that there are technically scenarios where the triple crown winner is not the best offensive player, I don't see that this year.
     
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