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Micheal Ray Racist is back!!!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by zagoshe, May 24, 2007.

  1. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    It depends on what market it is in -- to many of the real small minor league towns, the CBA.

    And that is still irrelevant.
     
  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Michael Ray Racist is back!!!

    That is the point. Over the past 30 years, being a segregationist and a racist openly would have cost him. That is why he ceased with THAT hate talk. The man was a populist who used intolerance of other people as the means to rile up followers. And he cloaked it in bible talk, which brings out the worst in many people.

    Being a segregationist in 1995 would have gotten a national figure very negative attention. Unfortunately, segrationsits in 1958 slowed down the civil rights movement and helped perpuate a huge stain on our history further. If he was a righteous man, he would have made his mark by fighting for equal rights when it mattered and when he could have made an impact from his pulpit. The fact that he was on the racist side when he could have made an impact, and only switched his hate talk when there was no impact left to made--and only room for him to lose popularity by continuing--says a lot about the man.
     
  3. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    Did you choose to be straight?
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The definition gave racial and ethnic intolerance as EXAMPLES. Intolerance of people with a different sexual orientation is most certainly bigotry, by any reasonable person's definition. I can dig out the quotes, if you insist. But I'd say that Jerry Falwell going on national TV right after 9/11 and suggesting that gays were among those responsible for the tragedy qualifies as hatred and intolerance--of the irrational variety.
     
  5. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Oh, and you know he changed his mind, not because he saw the error in his ways, not because he realized the way he was brought and where he was brought up was not necessarily the way to be -- no it was because it was costing him political capital and hurting him at the collection plate. And you know this because, well, you just do.......

    I'll say it again -- if Jerry Falwell was a racist he sure had a funny way of showing it because no self-respecting Klansman would raise and donate so much money and dump so many funds into charities and projects aimed at helping poor people in inner cities as well as many poor and under developed countries in Africa and around the world.

    But if makes you feel better to call a guy a racist based on remarks he made -- which I am sure you don't understand the context with which they were made -- in the 1960's when the world was a completely different place, feel free. His actions say something completly different.
     
  6. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Yes
     
  7. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Again -- he lumped homosexuals with a whole lot of other sins and sinners in his remarks and if you look at the entire context of what he was saying he was speaking of God's wrath being cast on a Christian country that has lost its soul. That is hardly bigotry.

    Was it a dumb thing to say? Probably, particularly at the time he said it, but if you think Jerry Falwell is the only minister -- white or black -- who was preaching that America better get on its knees in the wake of that 9/11 stuff then you are smoking something good and you have no clue of which you speak.
     
  8. Chuck~Taylor

    Chuck~Taylor Active Member

    No, you are straight.
     
  9. Flying Headbutt

    Flying Headbutt Moderator Staff Member

    So we agree that Falwell blamed 9-11 on America? Okay, cool.
     
  10. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    But, once again -- rather than explain the hypocrisy and the lack of outrage over a black guy who is a public figure making racist remarks --- much like every time the Rev. Al or Jesse Keep Hope Alive makes a racist and/or antisemitic remark -- and the quickly getting forgiven and rehired into a very public job, this thread has turned into a rehashing of the homosexuality debate as well as what a bigot Jerry Falwell was.

    Again, that's how lefties never have to be held accountable in any of these kinds of issues -- they simply always try to frame the debate and the discussion on all things PC and whenever their hypocrisy is pointed out they start pointing fingers.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Jerry Falwell in one of his many sermons cloaking racism in ridiculous bible talk following Brown vs. Board of Education:

    "If Chief Justice Warren and his associates had known God's word and had desired to do the Lord's will, I am quite confident that the 1954 decision would never have been made," Falwell boomed from above his congregation in Lynchburg. "The facilities should be separate. When God has drawn a line of distinction, we should not attempt to cross that line."

    Yeah, that was one righteous guy. And the people who followed that like sheep are certainly God's chosen ones.
     
  12. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Yes but not in the same way or for the same reasons that leading Libertarians, like Harry Browne, who was crucified for his post 9/11 remarks.

    He blamed it on all of the sinning we're doing, Browne blamed it on our foreign policy and the fact that we've managed to turn every fanatic and radical on the planet against us by getting involved in their conflicts.
     
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