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Michael Moore targetted by U.S. Treasury Department

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Double J, May 10, 2007.

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  1. Boomer7

    Boomer7 Active Member

    Moore's a fraud who exploits the little guy he purports to represent. He's no more committed to "looking out for you" than Bill O'Reilly is. He's self-serving, self-absorbed and horribly two-faced. As a Democrat, I think he does our side far more harm than good.
     
  2. NoOneLikesUs

    NoOneLikesUs Active Member

    I don't get the comparisons to Rush, O'Reilly, Savage.

    Moore doesn't have a daily block of 4 hours to spew hatred to millions of listeners and despite some of his questionable motives in his films, he still is there standing with the powerless. Are Rush, Savage, Hannity and the like talking about health care? Fuck no. Are they taking time out of their broadcasts to show some sympathy toward the poor? Hell no.

    Moore is imperfect and I don't agree with some of his tactics, but evil? No way.
     
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member



    Look at the times of the two posts you quoted... You quoted him AFTER my post.

    And I wasn't endorsing him as a poster in general or saying he speaks for me on all things (he doesn't; not even close). I have no idea who he is. What I meant was that he had actually stated an opinion about Moore and about why the Feds acted, and some of what he said was reasonable... He had not just done sarcastic three liners that dismissed what others had to say without offering anything substantive in return (and I did see that on this thread).

    The socialism stuff afterward... Sure it's silly... But the point behind the misguided labels is kind of true. Moore is a hypocrite and he's full of shit. He's perhaps the preachiest human on earth (and he lies and distorts the truth to impugn those he targets in his work), but it isn't hard to find story after story about him personally not living up to the ideals he preaches. By every account, he's not a charitable or good man. He's made a ton of money, yet hordes his pennies rather than giving back to the causes he expects others to--and he gets up on a soapbox and attacks others who don't live up to the ideals he preaches but doesn't live. He exploits people personally and has a long history of screwing those who have come into contact with him.

    The example that always sticks with me is after Roger & Me and his sermonizing about how GM treated unionized workers, he was vengeful against writers (one of whom I know personally) who worked for his TV show "TV Nation." First, he tried to strong-arm them into not joining the Writer's Guild. The irony was that after he stiffed those writers out of money he owed them, they actually had to rely on the union to try to secure the payment and writing credits Moore was screwing them out of. It isn't like dozens of similar stories about Moore as a man haven't come to light. So personally I don't give a shit if he's a socialist, a fascist or a martian. All I see is a blowhard who uses a talent for populism to try to distort people's perceptions of the truth. And on top of it, he's a hypocrite who preaches an ever-shifting set of values (his values are based purely on opportunism) to the world, yet he doesn't live up to them personally. It's the most despicable type of person to me.
     
  4. zagoshe

    zagoshe Well-Known Member

    Oh I get it now -- because Moore is on the same side of the health care debate as you, his self-promoting, mostly fictional political drivel that's made him rich is different from Rush Limbaugh, Hannity or O'Reilly.

    Got it.

    If you are a liberal self-promoting loudmouth it is OK because you care more.
     
  5. Pastor

    Pastor Active Member


    Before getting into the following thesis, I will say that your statement is accurate. I did quote him after your post. I was pointing out that the direction Bamadog was going was somewhat obvious and quoted his ultimate meme of "Liberals=Socialists."


    Yes, those were sarcastic three-liners dismissing the individual. However, it certainly appears justifiable given the latter evidence.


    And that is all fine and well. However, nobody seems to have a problem with the conservative parallels that are vastly more mainstream and influential than the Michael Moore movie that comes out once ever few years. I also think we can agree that it is rather likely that the very person leveling such truth through misguided labels prays at the alter of such grand Poo Bahs.


    Interesting story.
     
  6. Mystery_Meat

    Mystery_Meat Guest

    Huh wha? Okay, fine, I'm a Marxist. I totally won't join a club that would have me as a member.
     
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Don't know about others, but I compared him to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter on the Michael Moore thread a few weeks ago, in two places, and got ripped up and down by a few people for making the comparison.

    It dragged on over a few pages, but here are my words at one point:

    One mocking response I got:

     
  8. Pastor

    Pastor Active Member


    In the context of dismissing an individuals prose as it relates to the argument, your theory on Moore is irrelevant.

    What I merely pointed out, up several posts, was Zeke's preminition like dismissal of Bamadog's contributions to the topic.

    I made no argument about your thoughts on Moore, only your dismissal of Zeke's dismissal.
     
  9. Boomer7

    Boomer7 Active Member

    I think the common thread with O'Reilly and Moore is that they're disingenuous. I don't trust Moore at all. Now if you want to defend someone like Bono (or even Angelina Jolie) for standing up for the poor and backing it up with action, I'll agree with that. But Moore doesn't give a rat's ass about anyone but himself.
     
  10. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    He could have saved himself a shitload of trouble if he'd just of flown into Cuba thru Cancun like everybody else.
     
  11. And I stand by it.
    The Limbaugh and Coulter comparisons -- especially the latter -- are ludicrous. Still.
     
  12. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Yeah. But at least I just felt the validation of someone having asked why there aren't more faux centrists on this thread, before I got to point out that I have proven myself to be a faux centrist time and again.
     
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