Map of 74 school shootings since Newtown

YankeeFan · Jun 11, 2014

TheSportsPredictor said:

Media coverage of Powerball is indirectly proportional to the chance of winning.
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Bought and paid for.

YankeeFan · Jun 11, 2014

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Analogies!

This is Baron territory.

Bob Cook · Jun 11, 2014

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Did a shooting occur?
Did the shooting occur at a school?

If so, it's a school shooting. Just because it's not a guns-blazing, kill-anything-that-moves Newtown type doesn't make it not a school shooting.

DeskMonkey1 · Jun 11, 2014

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Did a shooting occur?
Did the shooting occur at a school?

If so, it's a school shooting. Just because it's not a guns-blazing, kill-anything-that-moves Newtown type doesn't make it not a school shooting.
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Arguing semantics just to further an agenda. You, sir, are an example of what's wrong with this country and this profession and quite frankly are the worst example of a human being I have ever encountered. You have no soul.

More likely it's a domestic situation that just happened to take place at a school because the victim worked there, whether it was as an educator or student. Had the victim worked at Burger King, it would have happened there.

Letter of the law, yes, it's a school shooting. But it's not by the spirit of the law.

Bob Cook · Jun 11, 2014

DeskMonkey1 said:

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Did a shooting occur?
Did the shooting occur at a school?

If so, it's a school shooting. Just because it's not a guns-blazing, kill-anything-that-moves Newtown type doesn't make it not a school shooting.
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Arguing semantics just to further an agenda. You, sir, are an example of what's wrong with this country and this profession and quite frankly are the worst example of a human being I have ever encountered. You have no soul.
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I'm strangely honored by this.

amraeder · Jun 11, 2014

Bob Cook said:

Armchair_QB said:

Bob Cook said:

Stoney said:

Bob Cook said:

So if you remove the 33 shootings that the tweeter with the extremely punchable, smug face says are "fake," that's still 41 school shootings since Newtown.

74 is an unacceptable number, but 41? Oh, I guess we can all live with that.
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THIS. Even if you throw out the questionable 33, and the title had merely said 41, it's still a rather shocking number. Point still stands.

But, hey, I'm sure the founding fathers contemplated all these dead kids in the 21st century as acceptable collateral losses when they were drafting the 2nd Amendment in the 18th century.
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http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

By any measure, the United States is well above other industrialized countries in rates of gun-related injuries and deaths. The numbers spiked in the early 1990s, went down during the 90s, and then have settled into a fairly consistent pattern since.
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Yet we have a lower overall murder rate than most countries with stringent gun laws.
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Actually, no. Our murder rate is much higher than most (except a few countries, notably Mexico). Our rape rate is pretty high, too (though a lot less than Australia and Sweden). Where other countries outdo the U.S. is assault, robbery, burglary and car theft.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
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Yeah, ACQB, I'm curious where you got your numbers. They'd be news to me.

cranberry · Jun 11, 2014

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Did a shooting occur?
Did the shooting occur at a school?

If so, it's a school shooting. Just because it's not a guns-blazing, kill-anything-that-moves Newtown type doesn't make it not a school shooting.
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Arguing semantics just to further an agenda. You, sir, are an example of what's wrong with this country and this profession and quite frankly are the worst example of a human being I have ever encountered. You have no soul.
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I'm strangely honored by this.
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Damn. Not even one of the worst. THE worst.

MisterCreosote · Jun 11, 2014

So, we're using the debacle that cable teevee news coverage has become and not only applying it to all media but using its nonexistent reflection on society in an attempt to discredit actual news.

Armchair_QB · Jun 11, 2014

Bob Cook said:

Armchair_QB said:

Bob Cook said:

Stoney said:

Bob Cook said:

So if you remove the 33 shootings that the tweeter with the extremely punchable, smug face says are "fake," that's still 41 school shootings since Newtown.

74 is an unacceptable number, but 41? Oh, I guess we can all live with that.
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THIS. Even if you throw out the questionable 33, and the title had merely said 41, it's still a rather shocking number. Point still stands.

But, hey, I'm sure the founding fathers contemplated all these dead kids in the 21st century as acceptable collateral losses when they were drafting the 2nd Amendment in the 18th century.
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http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html

By any measure, the United States is well above other industrialized countries in rates of gun-related injuries and deaths. The numbers spiked in the early 1990s, went down during the 90s, and then have settled into a fairly consistent pattern since.
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Yet we have a lower overall murder rate than most countries with stringent gun laws.
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Actually, no. Our murder rate is much higher than most (except a few countries, notably Mexico). Our rape rate is pretty high, too (though a lot less than Australia and Sweden). Where other countries outdo the U.S. is assault, robbery, burglary and car theft.

http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
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http://theacru.org/acru/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/

Nations with stringent anti-gun laws generally have substantially higher murder rates than those that do not. The study found that the nine European nations with the lowest rates of gun ownership (5,000 or fewer guns per 100,000 population) have a combined murder rate three times higher than that of the nine nations with the highest rates of gun ownership (at least 15,000 guns per 100,000 population).
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Finally, and as if to prove the bumper sticker correct - that "gun don't kill people, people do" - the study also shows that Russia's murder rate is four times higher than the U.S. and more than 20 times higher than Norway. This, in a country that practically eradicated private gun ownership over the course of decades of totalitarian rule and police state methods of suppression. Needless to say, very few Russian murders involve guns.

The important thing to keep in mind is not the rate of deaths by gun - a statistic that anti-gun advocates are quick to recite - but the overall murder rate, regardless of means. The criminologists explain:

[P]er capita murder overall is only half as frequent in the United States as in several other nations where gun murder is rarer, but murder by strangling, stabbing, or beating is much more frequent. (p. 663 - emphases in original)
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outofplace · Jun 11, 2014

YankeeFan said:

Bob Cook said:

YankeeFan said:

If you send your daughter off to a college campus this fall, is she more likely to get shot in a "school shooting" or sexually assaulted by a classmate?

We have school officials demagoguing on one issue, an actively covering up the other.

And, if your daughter is sexually assaulted on a college campus, what are the odds she will get justice, and the cooperation of school officials?
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So we shouldn't worry about school shootings because of the legitimate problem of campus sexual assault (and cover-up)?

Is that your point?
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We can worry about them. But, the odds your child will be shot at school in a random shooting, are infinitesimal.

In 2001, the media was worked up about shark attacks. It was the "Summer of the Shark". Should we really have been worried, or was it bull shit?
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Ladies and gentlemen, please give YF's magic act a round of applause.

And that is exactly what he is doing on this thread. A magic act. Sleight of hand. Distract the audience from the actual issue because he can't win on topic.

Yes, those other problems exist. Yes, you can tweak what would be considered a school shooting.

But that still leaves 41 clear school shootings since Newtown and YF keeps dodging that question. Is that acceptable? Not "Is it the most important problem of all our problems?" Is it acceptable. Try actually addressing it without bringing up something unrelated. Just once.

BDC99 · Jun 11, 2014

YankeeFan said:

Bob Cook said:

As for other shootings, part of the definition of news is that it's something unusual. A school shooting in which one person died and/or the shooter killed himself isn't big news beyond the immediate area anymore. For example, one shooting was at Purdue University, in which one student went into a lab and shot and killed another. Big deal, but the number is small, so it's not going to lead outside of Indiana. In some cases, there was a shooting but no death -- again, not going to make national news.

It disturbs me that we live in a society where it's no longer shocking when I tell people my kids, including my elementary-age kids, go through active shooter drills on a semi-regular basis.
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They're not news because they are not the kind of random acts that scare the shit out of people. Networks, and local stations, won't get great helicopter footage of scared white kids filing out of their school. The soccer moms that the media tries to scare on a regular basis (on any number of topics) won't care about most of these shootings because they won't relate to them.

Plus, the kids involved are mostly African-American, and don't live in tree lined suburbs, so no one gives a shit, especially in the media.
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Random acts=something unusual. And YF, do you honestly believe that if Newtown happened in the inner city that it would not have been a big news story? I'll hang up and listen.

DeskMonkey1 · Jun 11, 2014

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

Bob Cook said:

DeskMonkey1 said:

I'm a proponent of (reasonable) gun control but I can't really classify Person A being determined to kill Person B and the fact a gun was used at a school is really just happenstance as a "school shooting." And when they are lumped into an article about "school shootings" it makes me question the credibility of said report.

It's akin to me having a beer, dropping dead from a preexisting condition, like a blood clot not at all caused by alcohol, then someone saying I drank myself to death.
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Did a shooting occur?
Did the shooting occur at a school?

If so, it's a school shooting. Just because it's not a guns-blazing, kill-anything-that-moves Newtown type doesn't make it not a school shooting.
Click to expand...

Arguing semantics just to further an agenda. You, sir, are an example of what's wrong with this country and this profession and quite frankly are the worst example of a human being I have ever encountered. You have no soul.
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I'm strangely honored by this.
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Well, I meant it with the utmost respect. ;D

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