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Mandatory Service for Young Adults

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Point of Order, Sep 6, 2011.

  1. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    The following countries have a one-year or less mandatory military service requirement (according to Wiki):

    Albania (12 months)
    Austria (6–12 months)
    Bolivia (12 months)
    Brazil (9–12 months)
    Cape Verde (12–14 months, selective)
    Denmark (4–12 months)
    Estonia (8–11 months)
    El Salvador (12 months, selective)
    Finland (6–12 months)
    Greece (9 months)
    Guatemala (12–24 months)
    Moldova (12 months)
    Mongolia (12 months)
    Norway (6–12 months)
    Paraguay (12 months for Army, 24 months for Navy)
    Russia (12 months)
    Switzerland (5 months)
    Republic of China (Taiwan) (12 months, selective)
    Tunisia (12 months)
    Turkey (6–15 months)
    Ukraine (12 months)
    Uzbekistan (12 months)
    Zimbabwe (6–12 months)

    These countries allow for a civilian, unarmed or non-combatant service option (according to Wiki) (14):
    Austria (9 months civilian, 6 armed)
    Cyprus (32 months civilian, 24 armed)
    Finland (12 months civilian, unarmed 9 months, armed 6, 9 or 12 months)
    Switzerland (390 days civilian, 260 armed)

    Israel has mandatory military service for both men and women. All Israeli citizens are conscripted at age 18 or the conclusion of 12th Grade, with the following exceptions:

    - Haredim are eligible for a deferral during their religious studies, which essentially becomes an exemption.
    - Israeli Arabs are exempt from conscription, although they may volunteer. The men of other non-Jewish communities in Israel, notably the Druze, Bedouin, and Circassians, are conscripted; women are not though may volunteer.
    - Religiously observant Jewish women can apply for an exemption from army service. Although some choose to serve, many opt to serve voluntarily in civilian "national service" Sherut Leumi.
    - Women are not inducted if they are married or pregnant.
    - Candidates who do not qualify on grounds of mental or physical health.
    - Typically, men are required to serve for 3 years and women for 24 months.[5] Officers and other soldiers in certain voluntary units such as Nahal and Hesder are required to sign on for additional service. Those studying in a "Mechina" (pre-induction preparatory course) defer service until the conclusion of the program, typically one academic year. An additional program (called "Atuda'i") for qualified applicants allows post-secondary academic studies prior to induction. See also: Israel Defence Forces.
    - There is a very limited amount of conscientious objection to conscription into the IDF. More common is refusal by reserve soldiers to serve in the West Bank and Gaza. Some of these conscientious objectors may be assigned to serve elsewhere, or are sentenced to brief prison terms lasting a few months to a year and may subsequently receive dishonourable discharges. See also: Refusal to serve in the Israeli military.
    - After a year their period of regular army service, men are liable for up to 30 days (much less on average) per year of reserve duty ("miluim") until they are in their early forties. Women in certain positions of responsibility are liable for reserve duty to a limited extent, until they are twenty-four years old, married, or pregnant.

    Could you ever imagine a mandatory national service program happening in The USA?
  2. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Are you talking about mandatory military service, or some other kind of civilian service?

    Hard to compare service in, say, the Norwegian military and the US military. Serve in the US, end up anywhere around the world. Serve in Norway, no one's really looking for you in Iraq.

    Israel is a whole different story.
  3. Point of Order

    Point of Order Active Member

    Here I would say military service would be one way you could fulfill the service requirement, but not the only way.
  4. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    No, socialist.
  5. BYH

    BYH Active Member

    We already have this. It's called the unpaid internship, lasting indefinitely starting the summer after one's college graduation
  6. albert77

    albert77 Well-Known Member

    Wait a minute. Paraguay has a navy? Really?
  7. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The most striking thing about that list is that none of those countries ever invade anyone and put tens of thousands of troops in other places, the way we do.

    Only way U.S. does conscription is if we have a Vietnam situation and not enough bodies, so they institute a draft. And I that would go over even worse this time, if that is possibe.
  8. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    History shows that conscription and empires do not go hand in hand. If we had a draft, we couldn't have things like the Afghan War going on for a decade. So no draft. In the 19th century, France kept its conscripts at home, and only volunteers served in its colonies. Hence, the Foreign Legion.
  9. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Either that, or a scenerio where a foreign country attacks the U.S. on its own soil (i.e., China). Then I could see an emergency draft along with a huge influx of volunteers.

    But otherwise, yeah, there would have been major issues if there was a draft for Iraq, and probably only slightly lessened for Afghanistan in 2001.
  10. Azrael

    Azrael Well-Known Member

    We should bring back the Civilian Conservation Corps, roll AmeriCorps/Peace Corps into it, make it a mandatory two-year stint for every American between 18 and 25, then give participants a certificate good for two years of tuition at the university of their choice as they exit the program.
  11. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    No, Az, it's much more useful to have a huge pool of unemployed or underemployed young adults, especially young men. Nothing bad ever happens to societies that have large groups of young guys hanging around with nothing to do.
  12. Key

    Key Well-Known Member

    Save us, Incentivizing Indoctrinators!
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