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Malaysia Airlines plane shot down over Eastern Ukraine

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Rainman, Jul 17, 2014.

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  1. Rainman

    Rainman Active Member


    Here we go again..

    Note from Ragu: I edited the thread title to reflect that it isn't the plane that went missing a few months ago. When rainman started the thread, they didn't what had caused the crash yet.
  2. RecoveringJournalist

    RecoveringJournalist Well-Known Member

    Re: Malaysia Airlines plane crash

    The sound you hear is everyone at CNN standing up and cheering.
  3. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: Malaysia Airlines shot down over Eastern Ukraine

    It looks like it may have been shot down by a surface to air missile. This is serious. Markets were going crazy, so I went over to CNN. Damn. This is terrible.

    Edit: Apparently a Ukrainian cargo plane was shot down on Monday. Now this -- 280 people and 15 crew killed.
  4. SFIND

    SFIND Well-Known Member

    Re: Malaysia Airlines plane crash

    How horrible. I'm sure the Ukrainian forces and separatists will point their fingers at each other.
  5. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I am listening to someone explain that unless it was shot down by a fighter jet, it would take an advanced system to shoot down an airline plane flying at 33,000 feet. The more basic shoulder-fired launcher that a rag tag force might have could never come anywhere near that altitude.

    It doesn't make sense for the Ukrainians to have done it -- they are already saying it wasn't them. It's possible, but not the likely explanation. So that leaves the question of whether it was done by the Russians from Russian territory or whether it was separatists who got their hands on an advanced weapon system.

    If Russian soldiers are responsible, it means they are really trigger happy and not well trained. It was a known flight path, and the transponders from the plane should have been giving off a civilian signal. Plus it is a big, lumbering target that it would be impossible to confuse with something else. Fomer airfrorce col. saying it is inconceivable they couldn't know what kind of plane it was. He can't imagine they intentionally targeted it, so the question becomes why? He said he doesn't think a separatist group could have likely pulled it off, even with the right missile system, but who knows? But for military that knows what it is doing, it is a really easy target with a huge profile in the sky. A basic launcher-based missile that the Russians have had for decades could take it down easily and all of the infantry units travel with those missiles.
  6. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    No doubt that the crack Malaysian investigative team will have
    an answer quickly.
  7. Paynendearse

    Paynendearse Member

    Meanwhile, we're hearing things like "What can U.S. intelligence in that region tell us about this accident?"

    Damn black box people. Other than that, speculation. Why an hour-plus of wall to network wall coverage?

    Oh and this doozy from Scott Pelley: "It is certain that there are no survivors from this tragedy." No shit Scott.
  8. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Obviously it's fluid situation. If flying today phone ahead to
    your airlines.
  9. Paynendearse

    Paynendearse Member

    What missiles can strike at 35,000 feet in this area?
  10. Paynendearse

    Paynendearse Member

    Yeah sure thing. I'm bound for Pakistan in 4 hours. LOL
  11. BTExpress

    BTExpress Well-Known Member

    Buk missiles can fire up to 72,000 feet.

    And one would think that the only organization in that area with any possession of such a weapon would be the Ukrainian armed forces. Rebels do have smaller SAMs, of course, but highly unlikely they have Buk missiles (or the knowledge to operate such an incredibly complex tracking system).

    New president is denying his forces shot down the plane, of course. However, last week, Ukrainian forces moved Buk missile batteries into the eastern part of the country, where it is fighting pro-Russian separatists.

    Not surprisingly, "Separatist leader Andrei Purgin told The Associated Press that he was certain that Ukrainian troops had shot the plane down but gave no explanation or proof for his statement."
  12. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Are you in the CIA or just play a lot of Special Ops
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