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Magglio Ordonez: Pinko Socialist!!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Starman, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. Knighthawk

    Knighthawk Member

    According to whom? 23 is retired for Horton and 11 is retired for Sparky. There's nothing anywhere that honors Gibby or Freehan.
     
  2. Knighthawk

    Knighthawk Member

    Never wore one. He's listed in RCF with the other Hall of Famers who have Tigers caps on their plaques - Manush, Heilmann, Cochrane, Jennings and Kell, plus Ernie Harwell, Sparky's No. 11 and Jackie Robinson's No. 42. Harwell does have a statue in the stadium's main entryway.
     
  3. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    Did Ty Cobb ever actually wear a number, though?
     
  4. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    I thought there had been some kind of statement to that effect, but I checked and apparently not. There certainly won't be now, since Gibson hates the current Tiger management and the feeling is mutual. And Freehan is pretty much forgotten by anybody younget than 50.
     
  5. Hank_Scorpio

    Hank_Scorpio Active Member

    Newhouser's was retired in 1997, one year before he died.
     
  6. Football_Bat

    Football_Bat Well-Known Member

    The first two teams to wear uniform numbers on a permanent basis in MLB were the Yankees and Indians in 1929 (the spring after Ty Cobb retired, coincidentally).

    Uniform numbers in MLB didn't become universal until 1937, when the Philadelphia A's became the last holdouts to relent.
     
  7. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    So why does Ty Cobb have a retired number? Or, why doesn't Sam Crawford?
     
  8. ColdCat

    ColdCat Well-Known Member

    As I said before, the Tigers for a long time hesitated to retire anyone's number since they didn't have a number for Cobb they could retire and if they couldn't honor the greatest player in team history (a distinction that is perhaps debatable) then why honor anyone. Since there was later support to honor other players, the team started honoring a few more, but included Cobb by putting his name over a blank spot of wall in left-center along with all the other retired numbers.

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  9. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    That doesn't answer the latter question. Sam Crawford was one hell of a player.
     
  10. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, probably better than Kaline and certainly better than Horton.
     
  11. Knighthawk

    Knighthawk Member

    When they moved into the new stadium, they decided to erect statues to the players with retired numbers. It seemed stupid to have a statue row of the franchise's greatest players without Cobb, so they put one up with a blank where the number would have gone. Sadly, most Tigers fans don't look at the list of statues and say "Where's Sam Crawford?" so he gets honored with the other Hall of Famers.
     
  12. Versatile

    Versatile Active Member

    That's bullshit. I'm going to start a campaign.
     
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