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Learning page design

Discussion in 'Design Discussion' started by MNgremlin, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. MNgremlin

    MNgremlin Active Member

    Yup, this is one of the things I've picked up just by watching other people do pages. Interesting concept with the vertical cutline. Our shop ends up redesigning the page when that happens.
  2. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Side-saddle cutlines are the devil.
  3. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    I was just going to say ... they can come in handy, but they usually look like crap. Seems newer designers use them as a crutch. I know I did when I was at a smaller paper. Not a fan at all.
  4. SBR

    SBR Member

    Get this book and read it: "The Newspaper Designer's Handbook" (Tried to post an amazon link but you can easily find it with a search).

    Doesn't matter what edition. New editions cost a bundle so get an older used one unless you're independently wealthy. Lots of good practical information and what-to-do/what-not-to-do examples. Will probably give you 9/10 of what you would've learned in college.

    Another one that is not newspaper specific but very helpful for learning some basic concepts of graphic design is "White Space is Not Your Enemy."
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  5. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I learned more from this book than I did in the college course I bought it for.
  6. MNgremlin

    MNgremlin Active Member

    I actually ordered it around the same time I started this thread. Just came in the mail today.
  7. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    When are we gonna see some pages? :)
  8. SBR

    SBR Member

    One more tip is to learn your design program, as in really learn it. Find all the keyboard shortcuts. Learn them and use them. Learn how style sheets and libraries work so you can make your own or get the most of the ones that are there.

    This will take time and practice but you still have to work at it. This might be no-brainer advice to some but I have been shocked over my career to see how many editors have never advanced past Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V, use the mouse to do everything, don't have good templates, libraries or style sheets to support their workflow, etc.

    They spend 20 seconds to do something you could do in 2 seconds, and that adds up when you do it 200 times a night. The less time you spend navigating through the program, the more time you will have to put all the other principles into practice, and make your pages look good.
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  9. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    Yep. Efficiency is a designer's best friend. Creativity requires time.
  10. jr/shotglass

    jr/shotglass Well-Known Member

    I'll second this. Easy to follow, learn and then keep as a guide for ideas. Like BDC, I got more out of this book than an entire semester of News Editing.

    Every time Harrower's book comes up, though, I have to add a caveat. The gentleman doesn't really give a whole lot of thought to Eastern deadlines. I remember one part where he says you cannot begin designing a page until you have all the elements in hand.

    That's crazy talking.
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  11. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    I work with a designer who thinks this way. It's maddening. Just draw the boxes early, then adjust if necessary. It's much easier to adjust on the fly than to build from scratch at the last minute.
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  12. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    If efficiency is the best friend, then Ctrl-Z is a damn good drinking buddy.
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