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Justice Scalia's comments

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by wicked, Dec 10, 2015.

  1. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I don't know. But I can certainly see the value of having a subset of candidates who aren't all 4.0 white/Asian kids with a 30+ ACT. Even if they can't play football.
     
  2. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    One too many "twos" in that quote.
     
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  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I would go through this numerically, but it gets me into racial arithmetic that I absolutely abhor. Suffice it to say that I am skeptical that, for a typical non-African-American student, any such diversity-boosting initiative materially affects the variety of perspectives/backgrounds to which he/she is exposed.
     
  4. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    That's a good sentiment and if there's nothing wrong with it, either morally and legally, then be honest and upfront about it.

    White Kids we will admit X of you and you will be held to standard A.
    Asian kids, for these purposes you are white, unless you are on the West Coast or Applying to An Ivy League School. If so we will only admit 20% of X and you will be held to standard A plus 20%.

    Black Kids you will be admitted, all of you, who meet Standard A.
    Those black kids who do not meet standard A will be admitted until your proportion of students on campus is at least equal to 60% (or 3/5th) of X.
    Hispanic Kids? Seriously? You're lucky you are here. You'll be white in your next generation. This is not about you unless you are Afro-Hispanic, then see above.
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Understood. And I don't know what the magic ingredients are for the non-automatic qualifiers. If race is part of it as well as extracurriculars, great essay, public service, potential for your parents to donate a building, etc. Great. That's pretty much how most colleges decide.

    If it's, "OK, now we have 300 slots for black kids." That sounds like an easy way out.
     
  6. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    One thing I have found, most high schools and colleges really, really do not want to be upfront about how they select students if they can help it.
     
  7. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you think this.
     
  8. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Pretty much black and white.
     
  9. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    AS an engineering student, chemistry or biology student, indeed a student of any hard science, what is the value of diversity in the classroom? Whether my fellow students are from Warsaw, Bombay, Greenwich Conn or Newark New Jersey, rich or poor, black, brown or white, how is that expanding my knowledge of fluid dynamics?

    You think any of the African American students on campus are coming to the Chem Student Exchange Party at the Student Union on Thursday from 3-4:30 to share our culture and share theirs?

    The most segregated places in America are college campuses. Huge Black Greek traditions, de facto housing segregation, separate student unions. Speech codes...
     
  10. Neutral Corner

    Neutral Corner Well-Known Member

    Depends on the campus. There are melting pot campuses, although like anywhere else there will be some self sorting going on.

    The most segregated place in America is still church at 11 am on Sunday.
     
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  11. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    The diversity argument is a canard, made out of whole cloth as a means of getting around prohibitions on race-based favoritism.
     
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  12. dirtybird

    dirtybird Well-Known Member

    I'm impressed these 4.0 students couldn't make the top 10 percent of their class.
     
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