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Jimmy B vs. Andy Katz

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!, Feb 14, 2013.

  1. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    That's not what you said. You said Boeheim is owed deference because he's a "real expert."
     
  2. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Get over it. Or maybe you can take it up with the Circuit Court of Appeals.
     
  3. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    So do you stand by that contention? Coaches are owed deference from the media regarding their in-game decision-making? And, if so, do fans equally owe this deference? Donors? Board of Trustee members? University presidents?
     
  4. Double Down

    Double Down Well-Known Member

    Just to be clear, my comment wasn't about deference. Don't do that. But understand that you do not know as much as they do, because you have not dedicated your life to it, and no matter how much about sports you think you know, you still know less than they do. So ask tough questions, but do so understanding that what you think you see is not always what you're seeing. A coach is not going to say "Yeah, we went over this 30 fricken times in practice and on film that if the safety walks up in the last five seconds before the snap, the center and the quarterback can't see it and it's too late to slide protection to that side, so it's up to the left tackle and the running back to recognize where the pressur comes from, and if the safety crashes down inside and the end runs a twist, the tackle needs to pick up the inside guy and the running back pick up the free man and the ball has to come out of the QB's hands as soon as he is in the third step of his drop. And if the WR has half a clue, he'll recognize he has to run a comeback against press coverage, not a nine route, and so when the RB failed to pick up the defensive end on the twist because he was sliding to the wrong fucking side because he couldn't hear we flipped the protection because if crowd noise, and so that's why the quarterback got drilled as he was trying to throw under pressure and hos fumbled led to six points, because the wide receiver ran the wrong read on his route and the other team just gambled and had the right play called at the right time against us."

    That's a coach's OTR description of an actual play that happened a few years ago. And the columns after the game said: Bad quarterback shows he can't play big in key moments. And the coach was frustrated because people asked him questions about why the QB was a choker, clearly having already formed opinions that he was.

    I get why coaches can get frustrated. Because a lot of people think they're just as knowledgable. Remember that infamous column where Simmons said the C's should fire Doc Rivers because he watched them run the same play 14 times in a row? It's never as simple as it looks to the laymen.

    Doesn't mean you go soft. Just means there is almost always more to it than you think.
     
  5. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

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    Down, boy. Go away, Dick.
     
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  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    Do you think Jim Boeheim is owed deference?
     
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  7. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    That little fucker has some serious thrusting power. Would make a great porn dog.
     
  8. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    An anthropomorphic summary of the men of sj.
     
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  9. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

     
  10. SockPuppet

    SockPuppet Active Member

    Jeff Goodman of CBSSports.com - who can be a little over the top with his self love - was at Syracuse-Marquette and asked the leadership question. I, for one, think the question was legitimate. Goodman watches a helluva lot of basketball and was at the game.

     
  11. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    No doubt.

    You know what makes me uncomfortable on my beat? It's not when a coach gets pissed in a private or public setting, it's when they ask me my impressions of their team or how I think they're playing.

    Certainly, not every coach I've covered has done that -- someone would rather kill their firstborn. For the ones that have done it, I never know whether to take it as a compliment, to read it as them seeking an outside voice to get a different impression (most likely), or read it as them trying to ferret out just what they think I know and don't know.

    Whenever I'm asked, I usually preface my answer by saying, "Well without knowing what you intended in that game/or on that play ..." and then I usually steer away from game-related stuff to things I know better ... reading personalities, etc.

    Because DD is right. We really don't always know. My coverage skews basketball more than football, and I know a decent amount about the schemes the team I cover does, but if I'm asked who switches on a given defensive call? Or who's supposed to help the helper? I'm out of my league.
     
  12. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Good coaches, or people that are good at anything, will listen to almost any opinion of what they do. Sometimes a coach can get so lost in the x's and o's of what they do that they cannot see the simple big picture of what they do. Maybe they are looking for the general impression their team gives you because you see so many different teams. They might only see their team on film and the team they are playing the next week.

    Teams as a whole can look disorganized as a group or lacking discipline when they play, or they can have strengths like overall team speed. Coaches can look at their players using the ultimate fanboy glasses, and they are either too optimistic or too critical of their own squads.

    Or the coach was testing you to see if you knew anything about what you were writing about. :)
     
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