"Jena at Columbia (University)"

Beaker · Oct 11, 2007

Pancamo said:

The Big Ragu said:

It's my belief that someone concerned and upset about the hatred and persecution his own religion has received, might want to set an example for others to follow of not being a racist prick. But being a hateful, bigoted person can be rewarding too, I guess.

And for everyone who has made ignorant statements about whites not being safe in black neighborhoods 1) It is a gross stereotype, and 2) Next time you are tempted to say something like that, please reflect on the fact that if given the choice to live anywhere, most black people who live in slums would choose to live elsewhere. Black on black crime in slum neighborhoods is quite common. Black on white crime, not so common. So if your motive isn't to just interject a racist statement to deflect attention from the conversation we were having, the facts suggest that crime is higher in poor black neighborhoods, period, and the most likely victims of those crimes are black, not white. And that has everything to do with socio-economic reasons, not some racial defect you want others to conclude through innuendo.

Either way, you don't see lots of crime in affluent white neighborhoods because they aren't shitty, crime-ridden slums in which the majority of residents have no other options. But hey, have fun pointing out that people with few means often end up living in shitty crime-ridden neighborhoods, as if it is a character defect of some sort for the people living in those neighborhoods who would do anything to escape their shitty plights.
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Nice post but the socio-economic argument for the excuse of crime is bullshit. To say being poor leads to crime is to stereotype every poor person whether they are black, white, yellow or green.
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But the racist stereotyping isn't BS?? You've got to be kidding.

The Big Ragu · Oct 11, 2007

And the board sociologist jumps in to earnestly convince everyone that contrary to all historical observation (and not to mention plain reason), there are no correlations between inequality and crime, racial bigotry and crime, and poverty and crime. It's clearcut for him. It's merely explained by the color of people's skin, not socio-economic factors.

Ignorance perpetuates race/class problems, which is the real shame here. For your personal sake, though, I at least hope that ignorance is bliss.

zeke12 · Oct 11, 2007

Anyone who took First Amendment law or any kind of journalism law course knows that there is a "fighting words" exception to the amendment that is a long-settled precedent.

Hanging a noose or carving a swastika would both, I think, fall under this exception. Some things are so vile they can only be seen as an attempt to start a fight. They are not protected speech.

This has nothing to do with hate crime or though crime. It's long-established law, like not being able to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

Ace · Oct 11, 2007

Beaker said:

Pancamo said:

The Big Ragu said:

It's my belief that someone concerned and upset about the hatred and persecution his own religion has received, might want to set an example for others to follow of not being a racist prick. But being a hateful, bigoted person can be rewarding too, I guess.

And for everyone who has made ignorant statements about whites not being safe in black neighborhoods 1) It is a gross stereotype, and 2) Next time you are tempted to say something like that, please reflect on the fact that if given the choice to live anywhere, most black people who live in slums would choose to live elsewhere. Black on black crime in slum neighborhoods is quite common. Black on white crime, not so common. So if your motive isn't to just interject a racist statement to deflect attention from the conversation we were having, the facts suggest that crime is higher in poor black neighborhoods, period, and the most likely victims of those crimes are black, not white. And that has everything to do with socio-economic reasons, not some racial defect you want others to conclude through innuendo.

Either way, you don't see lots of crime in affluent white neighborhoods because they aren't shitty, crime-ridden slums in which the majority of residents have no other options. But hey, have fun pointing out that people with few means often end up living in shitty crime-ridden neighborhoods, as if it is a character defect of some sort for the people living in those neighborhoods who would do anything to escape their shitty plights.
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Nice post but the socio-economic argument for the excuse of crime is bullshit. To say being poor leads to crime is to stereotype every poor person whether they are black, white, yellow or green.
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But the racist stereotyping isn't BS?? You've got to be kidding.
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I don't know beaker, racism is so 1800s. Socio-economic arguing really gets my blood boiling.

John D. Villarreal · Oct 11, 2007

Hmm, this is actually an interesting discussion.

I agree with parts of both sides.

KingOfBedsideManor · Oct 11, 2007

The Big Ragu said:

And the board sociologist jumps in to earnestly convince everyone that contrary to all historical observation (and not to mention plain reason), there are no correlations between inequality and crime, racial bigotry and crime, and poverty and crime. It's clearcut for him. It's merely explained by the color of people's skin, not socio-economic factors.
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Obviously, Ragu. Glad you've finally figured it out and caught up with him. Sheesh, don't you feel dumb...

John D. Villarreal · Oct 11, 2007

The Big Ragu said:

The only honest thing about most bigots is that you don't really have to do much to expose them. They open their mouths and what they are becomes immediately apparent.
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I agree with that!

John D. Villarreal · Oct 11, 2007

The Big Ragu said:

It's a university--which by its nature is a bastion of free, open and liberal thinking. Ahmadenijad is a controversial world leader. He never appears on U.S. soil. Why was the invite stupid? It 1) gave those students unfettered access to someone who has been labeled a madman and whose country was labeled as part of the "Axis of Evil," and 2) It made the point that here--unlike in places like Iran--we are not afraid of free and open speech--even speech we don't agree with. We'll engage anyone's ideas without suppression, even a Holocaust denier.

The invite didn't endorse Ajmandenijad or his ideas. It just gave those students access to someone controversial who is never accessible to Americans. We shouldn't fear free and open speech. We should allow it and challenge it if appropriate. If most of the world had liberal attitudes such as those, we wouldn't have half the problems we do. When you suppress speech, you give rise to ignorance. When you allow it, you let the best ideas dictate attitudes.
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Yeah, I agree with most of that as well. My only question is do such values & ideals apply to SportsJournalists.com?

KingOfBedsideManor · Oct 11, 2007

Good lord.

markvid · Oct 11, 2007

John D. Villarreal said:

The Big Ragu said:

It's a university--which by its nature is a bastion of free, open and liberal thinking. Ahmadenijad is a controversial world leader. He never appears on U.S. soil. Why was the invite stupid? It 1) gave those students unfettered access to someone who has been labeled a madman and whose country was labeled as part of the "Axis of Evil," and 2) It made the point that here--unlike in places like Iran--we are not afraid of free and open speech--even speech we don't agree with. We'll engage anyone's ideas without suppression, even a Holocaust denier.

The invite didn't endorse Ajmandenijad or his ideas. It just gave those students access to someone controversial who is never accessible to Americans. We shouldn't fear free and open speech. We should allow it and challenge it if appropriate. If most of the world had liberal attitudes such as those, we wouldn't have half the problems we do. When you suppress speech, you give rise to ignorance. When you allow it, you let the best ideas dictate attitudes.
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Yeah, I agree with most of that as well. My only question is do such values & ideals apply to SportsJournalists.com?
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This gem from someone who says chicks know nothing about sports.
Shall we show the hypocrite the error of his ways now or is it even worth the effort?

KingOfBedsideManor · Oct 11, 2007

I say we just ignore it, since it's a blatant example of trolling, and needs no further attention.

sportschick · Oct 11, 2007

markvid said:

John D. Villarreal said:

The Big Ragu said:

It's a university--which by its nature is a bastion of free, open and liberal thinking. Ahmadenijad is a controversial world leader. He never appears on U.S. soil. Why was the invite stupid? It 1) gave those students unfettered access to someone who has been labeled a madman and whose country was labeled as part of the "Axis of Evil," and 2) It made the point that here--unlike in places like Iran--we are not afraid of free and open speech--even speech we don't agree with. We'll engage anyone's ideas without suppression, even a Holocaust denier.

The invite didn't endorse Ajmandenijad or his ideas. It just gave those students access to someone controversial who is never accessible to Americans. We shouldn't fear free and open speech. We should allow it and challenge it if appropriate. If most of the world had liberal attitudes such as those, we wouldn't have half the problems we do. When you suppress speech, you give rise to ignorance. When you allow it, you let the best ideas dictate attitudes.
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Yeah, I agree with most of that as well. My only question is do such values & ideals apply to SportsJournalists.com?
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This gem from someone who says chicks know nothing about sports.
Shall we show the hypocrite the error of his ways now or is it even worth the effort?
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Not worth the effort.

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