It's Still A Poll Tax, Part Trois.

old tony --

Answer a simple question:

Does more election fraud happen:

A. Through absentee balloting

B. At the polls on election day.

I'm all for cleaning up election fraud. If you think both sides don't do it, in one way shape or form, you're full of it.

So let's start where the fraud has been proven to happen the most: With absentee balloting.

 

This might be the post of the thread.

 

I agree. Absentee ballotting is a huge opportunity for fraud. Kind of like the "Doyle for Governor" campaign in Wisconsin going and hosting a Bingo party at a nursing home in 2002 and then getting all the residents to fill out absentee ballots for Doyle (a democrat, for those who don't know).

 

So can we at least partially agree that both sides cheat, and any serious bill to curb cheating would START with absentee ballots and work from there, or at the very least ADDRESS absentee voting in some way?

Because the Georgia bill doesn't, and on that basis, I would think all would agree it's a bad law, regardless of whether we're going to agree that it amounts to a poll tax.

Which I'm sure we aren't.

 

Wow.
Gobsmacked.
Are we letting 8th graders post here now?

 

Lyman, Wisconsin has been the vote fraud capital of the US for the last three elections.

And that's not even counting the group of dems that slashed the tires of vans rented by the GOP to get voters to the polls in 2004. The son of Gwen Moore (voted in as a US Rep in that election) was one of the guilty, as was the son of the former mayor. So when you hear how Dems always say "the more voting the better," you know they're full of shit.

 

If I ran a newsroom in a paper in a decent-sized city (all of my former colleagues are now cowering under their desks in horror), come December of this year, I would get some of my best journalists investigating the absentee votes. Get the list of who voted absentee and see how many non-existent addresses were used (i.e. 900 W. Main would be in the river), how many dead people voted, etc. I bet the numbers would surprise most people.

 

Who are these "Dems" that Tony speaks of?

 

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=418855

 

Let's get rid of one idiotic idea at a time.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595

Here's a good one from that untrustworthy Jack Hitt:

http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2004/10/jack_hitt_on_re_1.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A707-2004Oct26.html


http://www.seminolechronicle.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/12/16/41c2fdb042ea1

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04294/398767.stm

Let me know if you'd like more examples. There are plenty.

 

Remember all the furor about the Motor-Voter Law that was passed 13 years ago? Wasn't that law passed in order to make it easier for people to register to vote? I seem to recall there was a lot of talk about voter fraud implications back then. Back then it was mostly Dems who supported the law, and it was Republicans who were opposed to it.

Now, Democrats seem to be outraged that the GOP wants people to get IDs in order to vote. Looks like we've done a 180 in those 13 years.

I'm a Democrat and a moderate, and I want the cleanest elections possible. To accomplish that, we need several things. First and foremost, we need to make it easier to register people to vote. Since we have Motor-Voter, we can register people when they get ID cards (or drivers licenses).

And before anyone screams poll tax, I'd argue that this ID should be free of charge -- just like your Social Security card. We certainly pay enough taxes in some way, shape or form to have the states produce these at no additional cost.

 

Actually, Hack, I don't see it as a 180 of any sort. The dems were in favor of a new law 13 years ago that made fraud easier, and now they're against any new laws now that make fraud more difficult.

But I totally agree with you on the ID free-of-charge thing. And many GOP state proposals that include that have been shot down by dem legislatures or guvs or, in the case of Ga. that started this thread, judges.