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Is Trevor Hoffman a Hall of Fame Player?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L), Jan 11, 2011.

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Is revor Hoffman a Hall of Fame Player?

  1. Yes - absolutely will get in

    33 vote(s)
    64.7%
  2. Yes - but won't get necessary support

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%
  3. No

    8 vote(s)
    15.7%
  4. Mini Ditka

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  5. Other

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%
  1. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    I'm with you on most of the SABR stats. I don't give a fuck about stupid shit like isolated power, adjusted batting wins, average leverage index (WTF?), at some point many of these stats are just jerking off to numbers.

    But not this stat. Don't get hung up on the ballpark factor element, ERA+ is just a way of comparing ERA to league average ERA for that season. Simple as that.

    I like it because when I hear fans say so-and-so sucks because he has an ERA above 4.00, they may or may not be living in a past when a 4.00 ERA did suck. There have been years where a 4.00 ERA was decent, sometimes quite good (early 2000s), compared to the league average.

    Last year was the first time in many where a 4.00 ERA netted a pitcher a below average ERA+. I find that interesting.

    But I'm on board with the fact that there are way too many stats that make something complicated that's simple at heart. Analysis can indeed be paralysis, but ERA+ isn't one of those stats, in my opinion.
     
  2. BB Bobcat

    BB Bobcat Active Member

    Well, a guy has a 3.50 ERA in 1968 and another guy has a 3.50 ERA in 2002. Do you think their performances were equal?

    In 1968, Milt Pappas had a 3.47 ERA and ranked 67th among 76 pitchers who qualified for the ERA title. In 2002 Mark Mulder had a 3.47 ERA and ranked 30 of 85.
     
  3. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Well, anyone expert enough to have a Fame ballot would know otherwise. Looking at team ERAs would be evidence right there. Just as one would know that a 3.50 at Coors Field is not the same as a 3.50 at Safeco Field.
     
  4. This.
     
  5. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    And if they watched the guys play, they wouldn't need ERA at all, amiright?
     
  6. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    Rivera is a first-ballot lock.
    Hoffman probably gets in as well.
     
  7. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Hoffman - Finished second in Cy Young voting twice. Finished in the top 6 four times. Finished in the top 10 of MVP voting twice.
     
  8. spnited

    spnited Active Member


    So what.
     
  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    Pretty good for a reliever...
     
  10. spnited

    spnited Active Member

    But inconsequential to Hall of Fame debate.
     
  11. Moderator1

    Moderator1 Moderator Staff Member

    Jerking off to numbers - I love it.


    Coming from you, I'm more likely to get in line with the whole ERA+ thing since we generally see eye-to-eye on the whole stats deal.
     
  12. Della9250

    Della9250 Well-Known Member

    Not when Hall of Fame voters cite such finishes as to why or why not in voting for certain players to fit their cases.
     
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