Is Rudy G. Just Another George W.?

Pastor · Aug 28, 2007

jimmymcd said:

moveon, kos, etc.

one man's "reasonable Democrat" is another man's lunatic left-winger, much the same as you view the GOP's parts

if you really think border control and vouchers are "lunatic", we don't have much to talk about
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I asked for policies. As to lunatic... yes, vouchers are about as absurd and patently stupid as it gets since the economic theories they are based on, supply and demand, disprove their effectiveness. Border Control is an issue that has Republicans split but going after brown people doesn't seem to be a problem for them. I will also throw in gay rights quashing as another "lunatic" issue.

Please, provide a "lunatic left" issue that you feel has demonstrated a hijacking of the party.

alleyallen · Aug 28, 2007

MCbamr said:

Double Down said:

MCbamr said:

Flying Headbutt said:

Hell of an indepth piece from Time Magazine this week. No spin and the only opinion comes from experts and pundits, but it's essentially a really good fact check piece that doesn't make Rudy look nearly the hero he wants to make himself out as. And at the end, it does seem as if he's a slicker, fast talking NYC version of W.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1655262,00.html
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umm....yeah....it's very unbiased reporting:

"Giuliani's limitations are in fact remarkably similar to those of another man who has led the nation into a war without end. Some of the Bush Administration's policies, like improved intelligence sharing between countries and our own agencies, have made the U.S. better at fighting terrorism. But others, from the war in Iraq to the treatment of detainees at GuantÃ¡namo Bay, have actually made the task much more difficult."
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Please eloquently state why any part of that statement is untrue.
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I never said untrue. I said biased. Whether it's true or not can be discussed by somebody else.
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Don't evade. Answer the question. Untrue, biased, whatever. What about it was biased?

jimmymcd · Aug 28, 2007

nationalized health care
"anti-sprawl" legislation

jgmacg · Aug 28, 2007

Madmen!

writing irish · Aug 28, 2007

jimmymcd said:

nationalized health care
"anti-sprawl" legislation
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Well that's some frothing-at-the-mouth, batshit-crazy insanity right there. Yeah, that guy who thinks he's Napoleon's a little touched, but the one over there talking about guaranteed health insurance, he's a rip-roaring maniac.

jimmymcd · Aug 28, 2007

It all depends on your perspective, irish.

Also, why do you assume I agree with Bush on everything? He has failed miserably in delivering on his promises to the conservative base. Glad I didn't vote for him.

jgmacg · Aug 28, 2007

Ask Grandma and Grandpa their persepctive on "nationalized" medicine. Medicare and Medicaid are pretty well thought of by those who use them.

deskslave · Aug 28, 2007

MCbamr said:

Double Down said:

MCbamr said:

Flying Headbutt said:

Hell of an indepth piece from Time Magazine this week. No spin and the only opinion comes from experts and pundits, but it's essentially a really good fact check piece that doesn't make Rudy look nearly the hero he wants to make himself out as. And at the end, it does seem as if he's a slicker, fast talking NYC version of W.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1655262,00.html
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umm....yeah....it's very unbiased reporting:

"Giuliani's limitations are in fact remarkably similar to those of another man who has led the nation into a war without end. Some of the Bush Administration's policies, like improved intelligence sharing between countries and our own agencies, have made the U.S. better at fighting terrorism. But others, from the war in Iraq to the treatment of detainees at GuantÃ¡namo Bay, have actually made the task much more difficult."
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Please eloquently state why any part of that statement is untrue.
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I never said untrue. I said biased. Whether it's true or not can be discussed by somebody else.
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Wait wait wait. It's not untrue, it's biased? Are you saying the truth is biased? The truth is truth, even if it happens to be politically expedient for one side or the other.

I think the use of first person in this article may be an indication that it's not a straight news piece, too.

MCbamr · Aug 29, 2007

AlleyAllen said:

MCbamr said:

Double Down said:

MCbamr said:

Flying Headbutt said:

Hell of an indepth piece from Time Magazine this week. No spin and the only opinion comes from experts and pundits, but it's essentially a really good fact check piece that doesn't make Rudy look nearly the hero he wants to make himself out as. And at the end, it does seem as if he's a slicker, fast talking NYC version of W.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1655262,00.html
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umm....yeah....it's very unbiased reporting:

"Giuliani's limitations are in fact remarkably similar to those of another man who has led the nation into a war without end. Some of the Bush Administration's policies, like improved intelligence sharing between countries and our own agencies, have made the U.S. better at fighting terrorism. But others, from the war in Iraq to the treatment of detainees at GuantÃ¡namo Bay, have actually made the task much more difficult."
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Please eloquently state why any part of that statement is untrue.
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I never said untrue. I said biased. Whether it's true or not can be discussed by somebody else.
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Don't evade. Answer the question. Untrue, biased, whatever. What about it was biased?
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"war without end"...that's opinion (and quite likely not possible)
"Some of the Bush Administration's policies....have made the U.S. better at fighting terrorism"...that's opinion
"others, from the war in Iraq....made the task much more difficult."...opinion

Pastor · Aug 29, 2007

jimmymcd said:

nationalized health care
"anti-sprawl" legislation
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I can see your mention of nationalized health care. Although, this has been around for over 10-years. This isn't new.

I'm not sure about the mention of anti-sprawl legislation. Where is this? Is it a national movement? What does this entail?

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