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Is it time to get rid of cheerleaders and ice girls?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Sep 23, 2014.

  1. da man

    da man Well-Known Member

    Go figure.
     
  2. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    That's just the domestic violence arrests.

    And yes it's more than a real company would have. There are certainly more people returning to action without consequence than a real company would have.
     
  3. franticscribe

    franticscribe Well-Known Member

    Do they? Really?
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  4. Morris816

    Morris816 Member

    Getting back to the original topic, a bigger reason to get rid of NFL cheerleaders is because NFL teams pay them less than minimum wage for their time, yet still expect them to spend a fair amount of money on uniforms and other items.

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-10/nfl-cheerleaders-battle-teams-for-minimum-wage

    ETA this paragraph from the article:

     
  5. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure the numbers bear you out. The arrest rate among NFL players on domestic violence charges is roughly half that of the general population*. Perhaps there are wealth/celebrity dynamics that makes an NFL-er less likely than a non NFL-er to be arrested for a given incident, but you have to assume these dyamics have a pretty big effect. Further, you'd have to assume that while Joe Six-Pack is more likely to be arrested than Roger Running-Back, it's equally likely that their respective employers will learn of the arrest. Sorry, Roger Running-Back's arrest is far more likely to be discovered by his employer than is Joe Six-Pack.


    *Apparently policemen are very active in the domestic violence realm.
     
  6. Dick Whitman

    Dick Whitman Well-Known Member

    I wonder what the rate is as compared to the general population of people with three or more years of college, though.

    That said, it has been my understanding that the issue isn't that the NFL has a high rate of domestic abusers. But, rather, that the league doesn't seem to take it very seriously when it does occur.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    "The general population" is not made up of people who work at GE, GM or other successful companies with comprehensive employment policies. I'm going to take a wild stab here that the piece of the general public that engages in domestic violence would come disproportionately from the ranks of the unemployed -- or, as you point out, the police. (And I'd add military too, since that's also a biggie.)
     
  8. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You're a day late on this Dick. If you were a Rush Limbaugh listener, you would have been on this yesterday:

    This American Life did a segment on professional cheerleaders too, and how ridiculous some of the rules are. The girls are supposed to be sexy, but not slutty. But the fans don't seem to get the distiction:

     
  10. Starman

    Starman Well-Known Member

    Always a surefire way to raise the intellectual level of the conversation.

    Beyond the quoted material in the link, Fatfuck Pedoboy goes on a crusade against anti-cancer pink-outs and of course conflates PR and administrative screwups by Goodell with the M.N (anybody who does anything bad anywhere in the world must be immediately equated to the M.N).

    To the larger subject, I don't care if pro franchises hire dancing chicks for entertainment, as long as they don't evade minimum-wage laws in the process.

    Presumably all the women trying out for dancing-babe jobs with the NFL or any other pro leagues are legal adults fully capable of making decisions for themselves.

    For girls under age 18 in high school and below, if nothing else their parents should point out to them how undignified and degrading the whole thing is, and how it pretty much equates your whole level of accomplishment to the bounciness of your boobs and booty and how well your boys football or basketball team plays.
     
  11. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Any specific disagreements with what he said?


    Did you read/listen to the This American Life story? A lawsuit about just that was the jumping off point for the story.

    Similar to college athletes, the claim is that teams control so much of their lives, that they are clearly employees, and as such are bound by minimum wage laws.
     
  12. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    This "They're-underpaid!" part of the discussion is absolutely nonsense. Pick a team, any team, and you'll have vastly more applicants than slots available. You may not like what those ladies are paid, but their actions strongly suggest that they couldn't care less.
     
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