Is Gary Sheffield a Hall of Famer?

Thome will likely retire with a career OBP over .400 and 600 HR. If he isn't a no-doubter, he's certainly a very-little-doubter.

 

Read stories about Allen threatening to quit teams, demand trades and fight with teammates and there is the answer.

 

I'm ? ing the idea that a player who was as obviously productive as Sheffield somehow "rarely did anything to help his team in."

 

Sometimes it's about more than spreadsheet numbers.

 

Really? How do they decide who won the game? Do they ask which team feels the happiest?

 

When you watch a game, you notice things that are not in the boxscore.

This argument has been covered 1,000 times in the last two years on this board.

 

No. There is nuance here, but an educated adult can understand it. The following two statements are different:

1) There are things a player can do that don't show up in the box score that help the team win.

2) The things that show up in a box score don't help the team win.

"When you watch a game, you notice things that are not in the box score" is relevant to statement No. 1, but it says nothing about statement No. 2.

A poster who claims Gary Sheffield "rarely did anything to help his team win" is implicitly advocating the second statement, because Sheffield did a shit-ton of things that showed up in the box score.

 

Parse is any way you Rick. Bottom line is Gary Sheffield is not a Hall of Famer

 

I already said I wouldn't put him in.

 

Please don't talk down to me unless more than three different universities consider you an alumnus. I have a very, very good understanding of figures and their importance. In fact, its so good I understand their limits.

It was a broad statement, but it is tiring to try and break everything down to a numeric value in baseball.

 

I'm not questioning your ability to understand numbers of their significance. I'm questioning your critical thinking skills and ability to understand the English language.

You could produce an advanced degree each from each of the Ivy League schools, but you still aren't understanding the difference between "Only statistics matter" and "Statistics matter."

If you want to say there are all kinds of non-statistical considerations that should be considered in Sheffield's value, go nuts. That's not what was being questioned.