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Income Inequality is Good for the Economy

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, May 2, 2012.

  1. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    Thanks

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  2. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Technological advances in productivity have far outweighed outsourcing as a reason for manufacturing job loss. But those aren't as emotional, so people tend to focus on either the furriners who took their jobs and the evil corporate fat cats who shipped them away, depending on their political bent.
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Stop it with the facts.
     
  4. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    So how does that chart address your assertion that America "stopped producing things"?

    Now, if anyone wants to argue that America has an insufficient social net for people who are hit by structural job loss, I'm right with you. And if you want to argue that income inequality and poor government oversight are creating an environment where there's no incentive to strive for job-creating innovations because you can make more money speculating on some sort of financing gimmick, I'm also right there with you.

    But structural job loss in itself is a symptom of a good thing. It turned frontiersman into farmers, it turned farmers into assembly line workers, and it turned assembly line workers into skilled workers. Society benefited every step of the way.
     
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  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You know it's more than just cheap labor, right?

    Did you read this article: http://nyti.ms/zMvFGL

     
  6. 93Devil

    93Devil Well-Known Member

    You are mistaken if you think all production jobs are assembly line. It would be like saying everyone at a newspaper is a writer.

    I would also venture a guess that most of these production workers turned into service workers at Wal Mart or similar job.
     
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  7. Baron Scicluna

    Baron Scicluna Well-Known Member

    Well of course. If they're not efficient, their wives will get beaten to death.
     
  8. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member


    Not as long as Texas yahoos have any signficant input re textbook content and curriculums.
     
  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The notion that "America doesn't produce anything" means anything about our economic health is absurd. We have the largest economy in the world. There is no single industry that is the key to a good economy.

    In 1900, 40 percent of America's workforce was employed by agriculture.

    If there was a message board thread then, people would have been convinced that farming, or things like chopping wood and mining ore, was what made an economy strong.

    Today, only 2 percent of our workforce is in farming, and we are 20 or 30 times richer as a nation than we were in 1900. As the economy changed, people on here would have been fighting to save the American farmer, despite the fact that in hindsight we know. ... we grow a lot more food in America today than we did in 1900, with 1/20th of our labor devoted to it. Which has freed us to live better and do more things.

    Of course, there would have been no manufacturing economy to follow without freeing up the resources from agriculture.

    So now make it about manufacturing, which is what people get up in arms about. Manufacturing jobs have been falling in this country since 1950, both as a total percentage of employment, and just in real job numbers. Yet, manufacturing output has risen dramatically over that time. We make a ton of stuff. Way more than ever. Way more than we did even 20 years ago, let alone 50 years ago.

    We do it with fewer people, through technology and innovation. That has meant less manufacturing jobs. But the effect on our economy is that it has freed up people -- the scarcest resource -- to create all new products and technologies and services. Which has benefited the average person in way too many ways to count. Our standard of living is way better since 1950, despite the cries of America being hollowed out by loss of manufacturing jobs. We have big screen TVs and computers and Google and way better medicines and cell phones and tablets in our everyday lives.

    It's called progress. The idea that we need to stand in the way of it to tether ourselves to a model that people want to force on us because of the past, is as dumb as the notion that we needed to be a nation of farmers to be prosperous was in 1900 -- only it takes hindsight of how the progress evolved to realize it. It's great that we are NOT tied to farming, or to factories, because when we need fewer resources to provide the things that farms and factories provide us, it frees us up to do other things.

    What that has meant has been adding a huge services-related, information and technology economy to the mix. That has been a great thing for America. Our GDP is the largest in an increasingly globalized world where standards of living are rising almost across the board, and our standard of living is better than what people's Luddite notions are so attached to.
     
  10. dooley_womack1

    dooley_womack1 Well-Known Member

    Yeah, we've added more waitstaff and phone answerers. Progress indeed. Nothing is wrong with the economy, and whatever is wrong is due to that evil government, not the benighted entrepreneur class. Hell, pay them $100 million! Widening gap between classes? Pish! People are surely able to afford all these new gadgets out of their paycheck, not out of the myriad credit cards and easy payment plans. Dude, you're as blindingly doctrinaire as any Marxist professor at Berkeley
     
  11. lcjjdnh

    lcjjdnh Well-Known Member

    Still have yet to hear responses from his defenders on this point...

    http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/05/adam-davidson-parrots-disinformation-as-he-extols-rule-by-the-top-0-1.html

     
  12. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Correctly identifying a problem doesn't mean any proposed solution is a good one.

    There are problems with the economy. Freezing it in place in the 1960s model of production is not a solution.
     
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