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Illinois's or Illinois'

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by Big Buckin' agate_monkey, Jan 26, 2007.

  1. Big Buckin' agate_monkey

    Big Buckin' agate_monkey Active Member

    Need a little help.
    Editing something for a poet laureate and he used "Illinois's." I think it looks horrible, but I want to make sure before I go correcting this guy.
    Thoughts?
     
  2. I think either is acceptable for non-newspapers, but I've never seen a newspaper use s's as a possessive.
     
  3. Big Buckin' agate_monkey

    Big Buckin' agate_monkey Active Member

    Interestingly, I Googled "Illinois's" and the second hit was from the Washington Post.
     
  4. Strange. Of course, the WaPo has its own style manual. AP style stipulates just an apostrophe after a noun.
     
  5. MileHigh

    MileHigh Moderator Staff Member

    Illinois'
     
  6. fishwrapper

    fishwrapper Active Member

    Ellis is right. They have their own style manual. S'S seems a bit superfluous.
    NY and LA Times (and AP) use S'.
     
  7. Mighty_Wingman

    Mighty_Wingman Active Member

    I agree that s's is superfluous.

    But how do you guys feel about x's? Like, say, Podunk High quarterback Harry Cox's first pass was intercepted? Or is it Harry Cox' first pass?
     
  8. SF_Express

    SF_Express Active Member

    Well, the other thing is, a poet laureate is going to perhaps be edited differently than a newspaper story on a basketball recruit.

    Ours and AP style is Illinois' -- but honest to god, it probably ought to be how the poet laureate wants it.
     
  9. JayFarrar

    JayFarrar Well-Known Member

    Old school editing says Illinois's, new school editing says Illinois'.
    This has been a topic before and one old rule was that if the S was silent, then you would add the 'S to make to possessive. If the S wasn't silent, then it would be just the apostrophe.
    Another old rule is that with proper names you always add the 'S. So it would be Jesus's cross or Bonds's homerun.
    Kinda depends on the paper and if they have a style or if they just follow the AP.
     
  10. Freelance Hack

    Freelance Hack Active Member

    I've always been told that it's only an apostrophe after an s, x or z.
     
  11. Big Buckin' agate_monkey

    Big Buckin' agate_monkey Active Member

    That's what we decided.
     
  12. Oz

    Oz Active Member

    What I go with.
     
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