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Il Papa è atterrato!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by SnarkShark, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    A link really shouldn't be posted with absolutely no thoughts/comments included. That's protocol around here.

    That said, the last two sentences of this article/post are the most true, important and relevant of the whole thing:

    "Pope Francis has the power to change the world. He should be treated as an influential religious leader, not a celebrity."

    As for the rest of it, it is a matter of Pope Francis being a charismatic person, someone people will listen to and follow.

    But I'm not sure anybody would or should see Pope Francis as progressive, exactly. He's the leader of the Catholic church, after all. Any progressiveness is bound to have its limits. The pope's beliefs obviously do, and that shouldn't necessarily be a surprise. The only part of it that was for me is the fact that he's apparently adamant about being against birth control.

    The rest of it I put down to beliefs and their place in his faith, but that? It seems a concretely important, preventatively helpful aspect of sheer modernization, and a lack of at least some progressiveness in that area seems pointless and damaging without basis, cause or reason.
     
  2. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone mentioned the Pope's great troll of the GOP?

    He started on protecting life at all stages, which brought the GOPers to their feet (or at least cheers), and immediately talked about ending the death penalty.
     
  3. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    There's not a pro-lifer on abortion on the planet who wouldn't trade an end of the death penalty for an end of abortion.

    Any death penalty abolitionists who would make the same trade?

    Pro-lifers would likely make the trade for even a 20 week abortion ban.
     
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  4. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Absolutely spot-on.
     
  5. MisterCreosote

    MisterCreosote Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure less than 10 percent of Americans support bans on both abortion and the death penalty.

    I'm not saying I'm one of them, but I can see how it's not ideologically inconsistent to be against abortion, yet support the death penalty.

    It's only inconsistent semantically.
     
  6. Vombatus

    Vombatus Well-Known Member

    Sayonara, Pope!
     
  7. Mr. Sunshine

    Mr. Sunshine Well-Known Member

    I guess that's a victory if you support killing babies.
     
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  8. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

  9. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

  10. SpeedTchr

    SpeedTchr Well-Known Member

    Death penalty? Heck, I would give up the 2nd Amendment in exchange for an end to abortion.
     
  11. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    That's a fair trade.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Let's see how many opponents of the 2nd amendment would go for it.
     
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