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How to become a better writer

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by SportsDude, Feb 27, 2008.

  1. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    This is flattering, but I come here to learn from you, too.

    And one of the reasons I started the Workshop was very selfish - it gives me a place to read and critique stories, which sharpens my own writing. Trying to help another writer through a problem - by identifying it and then describing a solution - is a great way to clarify your thinking about your own work.
     
  2. forever_town

    forever_town Well-Known Member

    Seems like you've developed quite sharply over the years. Hence, your opinion on writing is supremely valued.

    Of course, this is coming from someone who is probably a walking billboard of what NOT to do, so take it with a grain of salt or whatever your preferred spice.
     
  3. Mr. Magazine

    Mr. Magazine New Member

    Some of the greatest sentences in literary history have been well over 19 words. Some more than 100 or 200 words (I'm thinking Irwin Shaw, I'm thinking David Foster Wallace). This is good advice for someone writing a game story or a column, who doesn't have a lot of room to breathe; but, for instance, in a feature, or a good short story, there shouldn't be any rules that apply to sentences if they're well-thought-out.
     
  4. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Today there is absolutely no reason to write a sentence that long. Any sentence that long is bogged down by at least two or three clauses. They're torture on the reader. Always.

    Here's a simple exercise that I've found almost always bears out. Count the words in sentences by writers you don't enjoy reading. Then count the words in senteneces by by writers you do enjoy reading. In at least 98% of the cases, you'll learn that the writers you enjoy write short, tight sentences. The writers you don't enjoy are the ones writing long (and usually masturbatory) sentences.
     
  5. jgmacg

    jgmacg Guest

    ...O wait now sonny my turn is coming Ill be quite gay and friendly over it O but I was forgetting this bloody pest of a thing pfooh you wouldnt know which to laugh or cry were such a mixture of plum and apple no Ill have to wear the old things so much the better itll be more pointed hell never know whether he did it or not there thats good enough for you any old thing at all then Ill wipe him off me just like a business his omission then Ill go out Ill have him eying up at the ceiling where is she gone now make him want me thats the only way a quarter after what an unearthly hour I suppose theyre just getting up in China now combing out their pigtails for the day well soon have the nuns ringing the angelus theyve nobody coming in to spoil their sleep except an odd priest or two for his night office or the alarmclock next door at cockshout clattering the brains out of itself let me see if I can doze off 1 2 3 4 5 what kind of flowers are those they invented like the stars the wallpaper in Lombard street was much nicer the apron he gave me was like that something only I only wore it twice better lower this lamp and try again so as I can get up early Ill go to Lambes there beside Findlaters and get them to send us some flowers to put about the place in case he brings him home tomorrow today I mean no no Fridays an unlucky day first I want to do the place up someway the dust grows in it I think while Im asleep then we can have music and cigarettes I can accompany him first I must clean the keys of the piano with milk whatll I wear shall I wear a white rose or those fairy cakes in Liptons I love the smell of a rich big shop at 7d a lb or the other ones with the cherries in them and the pinky sugar 11d a couple of lbs of those a nice plant for the middle of the table Id get that cheaper in wait wheres this I saw them not long ago I love flowers Id love to have the whole place swimming in roses God of heaven theres nothing like nature the wild mountains then the sea and the waves rushing then the beautiful country with the fields of oats and wheat and all kinds of things and all the fine cattle going about that would do your heart good to see rivers and lakes and flowers all sorts of shapes and smells and colours springing up even out of the ditches primroses and violets nature it is as for them saying theres no God I wouldnt give a snap of my two fingers for all their learning why dont they go and create something I often asked him atheists or whatever they call themselves go and wash the cobbles off themselves first then they go howling for the priest and they dying and why why because theyre afraid of hell on account of their bad conscience ah yes I know them well who was the first person in the universe before there was anybody that made it all who ah that they dont know neither do I so there you are they might as well try to stop the sun from rising tomorrow the sun shines for you he said the day we were lying among the rhododendrons on Howth head in the grey tweed suit and his straw hat the day I got him to propose to me yes first I gave him the bit of seedcake out of my mouth and it was leapyear like now yes 16 years ago my God after that long kiss I near lost my breath yes he said I was a flower of the mountain yes so we are flowers all a womans body yes that was one true thing he said in his life and the sun shines for you today yes that was why I liked him because I saw he understood or felt what a woman is and I knew I could always get round him and I gave him all the pleasure I could leading him on till he asked me to say yes and I wouldnt answer first only looked out over the sea and the sky I was thinking of so many things he didnt know of Mulvey and Mr Stanhope and Hester and father and old captain Groves and the sailors playing all birds fly and I say stoop and washing up dishes they called it on the pier and the sentry in front of the governors house with the thing round his white helmet poor devil half roasted and the Spanish girls laughing in their shawls and their tall combs and the auctions in the morning the Greeks and the jews and the Arabs and the devil knows who else from all the ends of Europe and Duke street and the fowl market all clucking outside Larby Sharons and the poor donkeys slipping half asleep and the vague fellows in the cloaks asleep in the shade on the steps and the big wheels of the carts of the bulls and the old castle thousands of years old yes and those handsome Moors all in white and turbans like kings asking you to sit down in their little bit of a shop and Ronda with the old windows of the posadas 2 glancing eyes a lattice hid for her lover to kiss the iron and the wineshops half open at night and the castanets and the night we missed the boat at Algeciras the watchman going about serene with his lamp and O that awful deepdown torrent O and the sea the sea crimson sometimes like fire and the glorious sunsets and the figtrees in the Alameda gardens yes and all the queer little streets and the pink and blue and yellow houses and the rosegardens and the jessamine and geraniums and cactuses and Gibraltar as a girl where I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.


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  6. pallister

    pallister Guest

    o_t, I wrote a column years back about how I hate free association, and the whole thing was one sentence, with random thought after random thought. I'm not sure how many people actually read the whole thing, but it was fun to write.
     
  7. Mr. Magazine

    Mr. Magazine New Member

    While I completely and respectfully disagree with what old_tony is saying, I honor that it comes down to what I'll call taste and style preference. Period. But I don't think writing has changed any "today" since, say ... "long ago." Meaning there are still people who can and should take a risk with long sentences, and they're a real treat to read when they're good. And since I enjoy all types of writing, I can enjoy a long sentence when I read it, as well as a short, tight one. I think I've read about as many bad short sentences as I have long ones, for that matter.
     
  8. -Scoop-

    -Scoop- Member

    I've done a lot, a LOT, of reading in my spare time of journalists from all over, trying to notice trends, what most do and try to stay away from, what ledes they choose, etc. I love watching games on TV and then reading all the game stories from the afterwards, seeing how my own perspective goes against other writers who saw the same game.
     
  9. sportswriter9247

    sportswriter9247 New Member

    Being a soon-to-be graduate, one thing I have taken to heart from an editor I have corresponded for is to show the reader something instead of telling them.

    Johnny is a great, caring guy.

    Instead try....Johnny frequently volunteers with the elderly and the Boys & Girls Club.

    Maybe not the best example, but it's something I have taken to heart as I prepare for my graduation. Great thread.
     
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