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How fat is your state?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by I love puppies!, Aug 28, 2007.

  1. RedSmithClone

    RedSmithClone Active Member


    Ahhhh haaaa. You could be on to something there. I always thought U were the smarty pants of this message board!
     
  2. sportschick

    sportschick Active Member

    If it was after 8, I'd accuse you of being drunk! You are in a way good mood today.
     
  3. jboy

    jboy Guest

    Actually, there was a study done that because illegal immigrants pay so many other non-income tax taxes, they actually contribute more to the "system" than they take out. Or at the very least, it's close to breaking even. They don't qualify for medicare, medicaid, social security, etc.. The whole idea that "they don't pay taxes" is irrelevent because, considering a majority are living below the poverty level, they would actually pay very little in income taxes or most would probably qualify for some type of refund since they would get tax breaks for children, dependents and other stuff.

    On the other hand, they contribute hundreds of billions of dollars to the economy as consumers.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    We have diabetes and heart disease epidemics on our hands. The number of people with type 2 (i.e. preventable if you aren't so fat) diabetes has increased by 86 percent in the last decade alone. That is mind numbing to think about. 21 million people with a serious disease because they have allowed themselves to get fat and sedentary. The costs have been placed by some at $92 billion a year in direct medical costs, and another $40 billion in indirect costs (loss of work, disability, death). Quibble with the exact number, but it is billions of dollars a year that are taxing the health care system in more than just the obvious dollars sense. There are a lot of things overwhelming our health care system and there are many of the inefficiencies you pointed out, which drive up costs. But you are wrong. The fact that Americans take worse care of themselves than ever and we have become an obese nation IS a primary reason we can't afford to take better care of more people. If people weren't so fat, and they didn't smoke and partake in other harmful behaviors, they wouldn't need to rely on expensive medical care and state of the art advances to keep them alive. And the people with serious uncontrollable diseases wouldn't be being burdened--and in many cases squeezed out--to the extent they are, by the crisis being created by the people who require what should be unnecessary health care.
     
  5. GB-Hack

    GB-Hack Active Member

    He always struck me as a fatty. But then I'm taller and weigh less.
     
  6. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    And how do you feel about drug companies using the airwaves to pitch drugs to people to create demand for something they don't even need?

    Doesn't that raise costs for everyone, too?

    Or do you just say Viva Viagra?
     
  7. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

    We're sitting (and I do mean sitting) tied at ninth place for fattest.

    But I think we can do better. If you roll lard in bread crumbs do you think that it might be possible to deep-fry it?

    Go state! Beat Mississippi!
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    I don't have any need to try to obscure one bad, stupid thing by saying it doesn't matter because there is another bad, stupid thing contributing to a problem. This thread was about obesity. I made a point about the strain obesity puts on our health care system. It seemed like a more relevant point than "hey, let's just forget the billions it is costing us and make an unrelated point about drug companies, which aren't the issue when it comes to obesity."

    One thing U.S. drug companies have done, though, is contribute thousands of state of the art treatments (exponentially, the advances over the last 30 years have been staggering compared to the hundreds of years before) that have made up for the fact that people worldwide seem so intent on killing themselves with mind-boggling behavior. The drug companies profit pretty nicely, but they are the ones who are actually keeping all these obese people (and smokers) alive, with things like blood pressure and cholesterol medications that are common today, but didn't exist 20 years ago (when there was less need for them). Lipitor and Norvasc are by far the most commonly prescribed medications in the United States. The drug companies may be evil in your mind for profiting off inventing and marketing those medications, but 1) They have done a ton to keep people who seem intent on killing themselves alive and 2) without the obesity problem we have created for ourselves, it cuts the demand for lipitor and norvasc by at least three quarters.
     
  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I don't mind drug companies developing a drug that cures a disease or relieves symptons. I don't like that drug companies develop something that they want to create a market for.

    And you brought in the costs and I merely stated that the drug companies are doing their share to contribute to the cost.

    Some people are just going to be fat. You can try to help them and educate them.

    But I much less distressed by fatties than that idiotic Viva Viagra commercial.
     
  10. KG

    KG Active Member

    Not always the case. My mom was 5'3" and 120lbs when she found out she had type 2 diabetes.
     
  11. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Nope. Not always the case. Sorry I stated it in such an absolute way--even if your mom is a rare exception, not the rule now. Some people have a genetic predisposition to Type 2 diabetes. Those numbers were always relatively low and defined, before we became so fat as a nation. Your mom has become the exception, not the rule, if her lifestyle has not been a contributing factor. The reason we have seen an 86 percent increase in the number of diabetics in the last decade alone is not some freak genetic anomaly. Lifestyle factors--obesity and a sedentary lifestyle--account for what we are seeing. There have always been diabetics--not just those with juvenile diabetes. The skyrocketing numbers and the costs associated with it are not the result of people with a genetic problem. They're the result of people with a lifestyle problem.
     
  12. Mmac

    Mmac Guest

    I don't even mind that. I just mind drug companies selectively charging Americans 3 times as much for their products as everyone else in the world, and getting away with it because they've bought off so many elected officials with mountains of special interest cash and armies of lobbyists.
     
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