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Hot Stove Thread 2014-15

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Dick Whitman, Oct 30, 2014.

  1. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    Cy Young winners:

    NL: Clayton Kershaw (unanimous)

    AL: Corey Kluber (by 10 points/4 first-place votes over Felix Hernandez)
  2. qtlaw

    qtlaw Well-Known Member

    I have a hard time seeing Kluber > Felix; Felix's WHIP was 0.92 for the year! and he had that tremendous/historic run of consecutive games of 2 or less runs which was amazing. Kluber had a great year but still thought Felix should have won.
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Maybe they were just dazzled by wins and strikeouts. Kluber had three more of the former and 21 more of the latter.

    I've also seen some advanced stats used to make the case, something about Hernandez having the better defense behind him. Of course, that relies on defensive metrics that even most statheads admit don't do the job properly.

    Hernandez was the better pitcher. The gap isn't so wide to call it a horrible injustice, but they did get it wrong.
  4. Michael_ Gee

    Michael_ Gee Well-Known Member

    I would have voted for Felix, but Kluber's win is acceptable. Not like Welch over Clemens in 1990, to name one at random.
  5. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Jays trade Anthony Gose to Tigers for Devon Travis. I know very little of Travis. Anyone can help me out?
  6. Steak Snabler

    Steak Snabler Well-Known Member

    He's the Tigers' No. 1 prospect. Batted .295/.358/.460 at Double-A last year, and is being converted from 2B to CF.


    Gose is fast, fast, fast and pretty good defensively, but has never been much of a hitter.
  7. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    Recently fired Rockies GM Dan O'Dowd is on MLB Network right now talking about "How to construct a Major League roster."
  8. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    Thanks! Gose is really fast, but doesn't steal as many bases as someone with his speed should. He has a really bad attitude, does not care about improving his game and no discipline at the plate.
  9. Songbird

    Songbird Well-Known Member

    I can appreciate that Posnanski offered up his reason but he went digging for mites when all he needed was a worm.

    His full piece: http://joeposnanski.com/joeblogs/the-al-cy-young-vote/

    Strikeout rate and home run rate. That's bothersome.

    If everything is so close, how 'bout we go to the decider:

    Felix set a MLB record for consecutive starts with 7+ innings and > 2 ER (16) -- and in 34 starts he allowed 3 ER or more 5 times.

    That's 29 out of 34 starts allowing 0, 1 or 2 earned runs -- and 16 of the 29 were of the 0- or 1-run variety.

    Kluber allowed 3 ER or more in 10 of his 34 starts. His longest 7/2 streak was 6 games, and in the next 3 he went 7/3, 6.1/3, 2.2/5, before another 5 7/2 starts.

    Use "high strikeout rate" and "lower home run rate" to choose a starter for the All Star Game, not to pick the Cy Young.
  10. Gehrig

    Gehrig Active Member

    He only played three games in centre. I imagine the Blue Jays will make him play his natural position at second base.
  11. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    "You couldn't get it right and you couldn't get it wrong."
    That's so cute from the BBWAA.
    I can't remember the last time the BBWAA surprised me in a way that wasn't stupid.
  12. bigpern23

    bigpern23 Well-Known Member

    Good stats, Xan. Effective way to make the case.
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