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History repeating itself

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by hondo, Aug 7, 2006.

  1. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

  2. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Not sure of the point. Are you suggestiong we should kill all Muslims because some of them are a real threat or that we should worry that George Bush is taking this country into a facscist state like 1930s Europe?
  3. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    Since you're convinced this is action we ought to be taking, I truly believe you need to volunteer for military service immediately. And if you're not fit for military service, every one of your eligible children or family members should volunteer. If you're not willing to fight for what you believe, then it's not worth convincing others to do the same.
  4. hondo

    hondo Well-Known Member

    And how do you know I have or haven't served in the military? Or whether any of my children have (if I have children)? And what does that have to do with the column I posted?
  5. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    Well, one way he could know is that you could volunteer the information. But since you responded the way you did, I'd take it for a big, fat no.
  6. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    I think he's suggesting (the writer that is) that Western world has failed to understand history and therefore repeating it. Muslim terrorists are being appeased in hopes they will stop hating us. They won't stop hating us so we should stop appeasing them.

    And I'm not sure where you got the "kill all Muslims" idea since it doesn't appear anywhere in the story.
  7. Inky_Wretch

    Inky_Wretch Well-Known Member

    Is this thread history repeating itself or is the other thread Hondo just started history repeating itself?
  8. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    Exactly. You simply could have responded by saying, "I have served," or "I am medically unable to serve, I'm too old, etc."

    And it has EVERYTHING to do with the column you posted. The people quickest to call for action -- in this case read military response, because what other kind of response would we possibly have that would have an impact?  -- are the ones who are slowest to actually serve themselves. They're all too often unwilling to pay the price for the thing they claim to want the most.

    If you want it, pay for it.
  9. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    So what kind of action would be the opposite of "appeasing" terrorists, especially since invading/attacking three countries (two by us, one by Israel) doesn't seem to be a sufficient response?

    If that stupid column isn't a call for blind hatred/fear of all Muslims, I don't know what is. By the way, I was completely unaware that Muslims had started WWII. So I am duly enlightended.
  10. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    Wow. Just wow. So now Israel was unproved in its attack on Lebanon? I wonder where all those rockets that landed in Northern Israel came from.

    And if you can't see the parallels between Europe's reaction to al-Qaeda, Hizbollah and Iran and Europe's reaction to what Germany did in the 1930's then I don't know that I can help you figure it out.

    And I still fail to see the "Kill all Muslims" line of thinking in this column. But hey, if you think it's there I guess it is...
  11. Ace

    Ace Well-Known Member

    I didn't say Israel's action was unprovoked. My point is Israel's military and our military are fighting wars with terrorists. What further action is required? The columns seems like a call for blind hatred of all Muslums (hence the Kill all Muslims line).

    Is there a specific response the columnist thought would be appropriate? Not that I saw. Just sowing fear and hatred.

    If he wanted to make a WWII comparison and say that the European countries should be more involved like we and Israel are, fine. I didn't see that, though.
  12. alleyallen

    alleyallen Guest

    Maybe there's not a kill 'em all attitude, but what's the alternative? Seriously? We tried the "build-a-democracy" trick in Iraq and it doesn't look like it's working. How long do we give it? And how many American lives? If that doesn't work, and killing them all doesn't work, what is our course of action.

    Don't get caught up in the "I can't find that connection in the column" argument and focus on the more relevant point: If this is the situation and we need to respond, WHAT DO WE DO?
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