Hey Peter What Do You Think Of Donovan Now?

old_tony · Jan 5, 2009

joe king said:

Pancamo said:

Big Chee said:

Pancamo said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

McNabb -- more playoff wins than Peyton Manning in less tries. And no one-and-dones.
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On one less Super Bowl win.
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So I guess you're also under the belief that Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.
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Not a chance. So you are saying McNabb is a better QB than Manning because he beat Tavares Jackson? Manning sits at the grown-up table with Marino, Unitas, Brady, Elway and Montana. McNabb looks in through the doggy door.
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Please invite Layne, Graham, Baugh, Luckman and perhaps Van Brocklin to that party.
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Love for Bart Starr and his five NFL titles is shockingly lacking.

nmmetsfan · Jan 5, 2009

old_tony said:

joe king said:

Pancamo said:

Big Chee said:

Pancamo said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

McNabb -- more playoff wins than Peyton Manning in less tries. And no one-and-dones.
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On one less Super Bowl win.
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So I guess you're also under the belief that Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.
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Not a chance. So you are saying McNabb is a better QB than Manning because he beat Tavares Jackson? Manning sits at the grown-up table with Marino, Unitas, Brady, Elway and Montana. McNabb looks in through the doggy door.
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Please invite Layne, Graham, Baugh, Luckman and perhaps Van Brocklin to that party.
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Love for Bart Starr and his five NFL titles is shockingly lacking.
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He was no Brett Favre

Big Chee · Jan 5, 2009

nmmetsfan said:

Big Chee said:

nmmetsfan said:

Big Chee said:

outofplace said:

Big Chee said:

Pancamo said:

Big Chee said:

Pancamo said:

TheSportsPredictor said:

McNabb -- more playoff wins than Peyton Manning in less tries. And no one-and-dones.
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On one less Super Bowl win.
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So I guess you're also under the belief that Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Dan Marino.
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Not a chance. So you are saying McNabb is a better QB than Manning because he beat Tavares Jackson? Manning sits at the grown-up table with Marino, Unitas, Brady, Elway and Montana. McNabb looks in through the doggy door.
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Elway's numbers and play for 3/4ths of his career was not head and shoulders above his contemporaries of his day, and had to be rescued by TD, who resurrected his career.

What's funny is how some of you have a selective memory about Elway and the perception around him prior to his last two seasons with the Broncos. It was no different than the cloud hanging over McNabb, a lovable loser who didn't have the mental fortitude to take his teams featuring James Thrash and Todd Pinkston over the top.

Donavan McNabb has never seen a receiving corp even as good as the short lived "three amigos" let alone what Peyton and other greats have worked with.
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Montana was well on his way to the Hall of Fame before Jerry Rice came along. Until the Patriots traded for Moss, Brady played with receivers who were no better than what McNabb has had. Elway played most of his career with no running game and most of the time with receivers who really weren't much better than what McNabb has had.

You are correct about the perceptions of Elway before he played on two Super Bowl championship teams and McNabb right now. But Elway had gotten his team to the Super Bowl three times, not once, and did some amazing things in the process. The fact is Elway did get those two rings. McNabb still has time to do the same. If he doesn't get there, he doesn't belong on the same stage.
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I don't know. When looking at Elways numbers, he didn't even stand out from Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly and others at the quarterback postion. He was very lucky to have Terrell Davis fall onto his lap, or we'd look at John no differently than how we now view Donovan.
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Simply not true. For one, Jim Kelly is in the Hall.

Don't discount the difference between Elway's three pre-TD Super Bowl appearances to Donovan's one. Elway was looked at differently for many reasons. Just ask Browns and Chiefs fans for a few.
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But in the big game, he was perceived to be a choker. I know he made for great theatre at the QB position back then, but he wasn't perceived to be a winner, and was considered a choker.

The right offensive piece in the puzzle to get him over the top finally fell his way late in his career in the form of TD.

I can't say the same help was ever sent McNabb's way outside of the mental midget receiver he played with for one year. Even that year, he quarterbacked the Eagles into the super bowl without the help of the village idiot who was recovering from a fractured ankle.
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I think you are overestimating the choker label. He had vastly inferior teams in the three Super Bowls he lost. And he was actually seen as clutch outside of the Super Bowl. That you are comparing McNabb to Elway is almost as ridiculous as me arguing with you about it.
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Why shouldn't I? There numbers are very similar, and if anything, at the same stage in their respective careers, they both experienced set backs when attempting to take their teams over the hump, and were both slighted for it.

Guy_Incognito · Jan 5, 2009

zagoshe said:

"The only quarterback who is any good is Tom Brady because his team has won it more than once. All the rest of the quarterbacks are chokers, particularly those who have one or less rings...." \most of the geniuses on this board.
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Yeah, ask the broncos, Colts & Giants.

write then drink · Jan 5, 2009

Big Chee said:

It probably could've been said if McNabb had receivers not named Thrash and Pinkston for most of his career while at QB.
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most of his career?

i think not

mcnabb is in his 10th season

thrash was an eagle for three years, pinkston a starter for four and eagle for five

Write-brained · Jan 5, 2009

write then drink said:

Big Chee said:

It probably could've been said if McNabb had receivers not named Thrash and Pinkston for most of his career while at QB.
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most of his career?

i think not

mcnabb is in his 10th season

thrash was an eagle for three years, pinkston a starter for four and eagle for five
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Don't forget Charles Johnson and Freddie Mitchell.

Write-brained · Jan 5, 2009

And how I could have ever forgotten about Torrance Small is beyond me.

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