here's what's in store for ichiro...

whose? again, not looking at career compiler numbers. looking at their five best and only hof-worthy seasons.come up with whatever conclusion after numbers-crunching you'd like; the point here is that, except for koufax, i can't think of anyone who is in the hall with only five worthy seasons.

 

Which numbers are "compiled" and which are "earned"?

Is there a book or site I can reference that separates them out for me?

That would be helpful in understanding your point.

 

everyone with a vote determines what is their criteria for earning their yea. i know for a fact that the 'compilers' who are in got there by having good -- not great -- seasons for so long you looked up one day and said, 'holy crap! don sutton has 300 wins!? well, he got to 300. he's in.'

i don't agree but that's how it's gone. otherwise, the hof consists of the greatest players of their time who played at that level for a long enough time.'

i'm just going by what folks here have said and used as their measuring stick on hof matters. if anyone looks at oliva's career and can find more than five (and 5 is being kind) hof seasons, well, i wish i had you as a teacher.

now, if only five is enough for you, fine. just sayin' that criteria opens the floodgates for a spitload of non-hof'ers. as great a hitter as tony o was in his prime, he never considered close to 'the game's best player' (for another comparison). mattingly was considered just that from '85-'86. again, not an argument for mattingly, just continuing my nay on tony.

color me foolish, but the hof, to me, is for the best of their time. tony o is among those whose time of greatness was woefully short.

simple enough, mm? or do ya need pictures?

 

Oh, it's the best in their time?

OK.

Oliva finished second in MVP voting twice, was fourth once and sixth once.

Ichiro has never finished higher than seventh. Except the year that he won it.

So I guess Ichiro is out for you?

 

Ichiro won the 2001 MVP

 

Except when he won the award, of course.

 

Ichiro does have an MVP though. And whether you like it or not, you can claim Ichiro's career numbers would be X-amount greater had he been allowed to start his MLB career before the age of 27.

 

Oh, I agree. Ichiro's a no-doubt HOFer.

 

And if you want to play the WAR game, Ichiro's 54.2, which counts his -0.8 so far this season is 206th all-time while Olivia's is 42.4 (375th).