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Here's hoping we can discuss the Obama budget

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by printdust, Feb 15, 2011.

  1. printdust

    printdust New Member


    His environmental people will be pissed with the dirtier water, but the trashing of the clean diesel program while pushing for more clean air measures seem to contradict each other.

    Just once I'd like to see a budget that lays off his own personnel, some of them. And asks congress to cut. Why is it fair to not do it when every other business is cutting?
  2. HejiraHenry

    HejiraHenry Well-Known Member

    From what I can tell, this is a pretty standard bit of budget bluff.

    Cities and counties do this all the time. Faced with the need to make cuts, the first thing they say is "We'll have to close the parks and libraries," when in fact that's probably pretty low down the list of actual significant expenses.

    Here, they have proposed a budget "blueprint" with things like cuts to clean water programs and heating oil assistance for the poor. If Republicans go along, of course, they'll be blamed for supporting cuts in those programs. Object to these cuts, and the president can say "I tried to work a deal with these people but they're impossible."

    Clever in its way, but it feels a lot like 1995 budget chess. There are other a lot of other moves on the board.
  3. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    It's nice to see Obama acknowledge that we need drastic deficit reduction. I've still heard "we need to keep spending even more to keep the economy going" from some corners. There's proactive economic policy and then there's economic suicide, and the debt levels are reaching the latter.
  4. Stitch

    Stitch Active Member

    The deficit won't be fixed until the big-ticket items are cut, which includes defense and Medicaid. No one in Congress or the Obama administration is serious about cutting the deficit unless everything is on the table.
  5. DanOregon

    DanOregon Well-Known Member

    It's amazing how many people involved in the budgeting process, on both sides of the aisle, can say with a straight face that this budget, or any budget, will reduce the deficit.
    How many have they helped pass that jacked it up?
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  6. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Does anyone think Bush could have submitted a budget with $1.6 TRILLION deficit and not had NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and the NYT, WaPo, Newsweek, Time, LATimes, etc. not devote nearly 24/7 coverage to how reckless it is? Just curious.
  7. trifectarich

    trifectarich Well-Known Member

    Despite all the good audio clips and what appear to be honorable intentions, the decision-makers still aren't serious about this. Send a dozen semi-intelligent people to D.C. and it would be a snap to find wasteful billions to cut before lunch.
  8. Big Circus

    Big Circus Well-Known Member

    Pawnee, Indiana calls your bluff, Henry. They shut down government for a shortfall. Even outsourced their work to India.
  9. Mizzougrad96

    Mizzougrad96 Active Member

    I thought the exact same thing.
  10. TheSportsPredictor

    TheSportsPredictor Well-Known Member

    This place is filled with political threads and you hope we can discuss the Obama budget.
  11. misterbc

    misterbc Member

    Within the next few years, after the economy has strengthened, a national sales tax or VAT is the only way to reduce the national debt. I think most developed countries have already instituted one or the other. Here in Canada the VAT was hated when first introduced but most of us agree it's needed.

    If the money is pissed away, everyone will despise the tax but if it can reduce debt and/or balance the budget then it's a useful tool. Selling the idea and actually following through with a well conceived debt reduction strategy would take a concerted effort by government and citizenry alike, but it is doable.
  12. bydesign77

    bydesign77 Active Member

    Only raising or adding taxes isn't the answer. So VAT isn't going to reduce anything but spending, much less the debt.

    Just like my personal budget, I have to increase revenue AND cut spending to pay off bills. Just working more isn't the answer.

    I know that's an oversimplification but that's the idea.
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