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Harvey Araton leaves sports

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by 21, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. AD

    AD Active Member

    it's intriguing. five years ago i'd have said that the internet would empower columnists, because everybody knows the news almost instantaneously, and surely by the next morning. figured by now we'd see sort of what the san francisco chronicle was doing 15, 20 years ago: columnists, opinion, even columny game stories -- pure take, out the wazoo. instead, it looks like 'take' is losing its power -- if only because anyone can have one -- and what others have said here makes sense. it's the reporting, stupid, always was, and will be still. are we coming full circle then? sorry about all questions, but it just feels like there's a turn coming. and, with everyone else, i love a columnist like ian who reports. tell me something new.
     
  2. Editude

    Editude Active Member

    Still believe what a former boss told me: Your lead columnist should be your best reporter. Stray thoughts from the recliner? That is not added value, but a reasoned opinion built around gathered information and distilled analysis is.
     
  3. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    What are "general features for more ad-productive sections"? Would it be something like Travel or Auto?


    Seems like the Times has been planning on getting rid of general sports columnists for a while. I noticed a few months ago that they eliminated the click on for "Columnists" on the Times Sports home page.

    Congratulations to Tom Jolley.
     
  4. WriteThinking

    WriteThinking Well-Known Member

    This is the money line for this entire industry -- always has been, and always will be.

    Now, if only everyone -- both in the public and in the business -- could just fully realize, understand and appreciate this...
     
  5. Sounds good in theory, but the problem is you can have some ego clashes and stepping on of toes if columnists try too much to get involved in the beat writer's work. It's a delicate balance.
     
  6. Joe Williams

    Joe Williams Well-Known Member

    I can't see how that's a better sports section without Harvey in it.

    Yet they want to charge more now?
     
  7. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    It's not. But now that they slashed the freelance budget, they need someone to write all those pieces. So they cherry-picked the rest of the paper for established writers who could write features. I don't think Harvey was the only one relocated.
     
  8. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Begs the question: Why wasn't Rhoden drafted?
     
  9. 21

    21 Well-Known Member

    Somehow I don't see Bill Rhoden in the Style section.
     
  10. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    So because Rhoden is a one-trick pony, Araton gets punished.

    That ain't right.
     
  11. derwood

    derwood Active Member


    Auto section is almost gone, worse than sports.
     
  12. Drip

    Drip Active Member

    Yes. Personally, I don't need someone who watched the same game I did tell me what I saw. I think I'm formulate my opinion. I'd love to see political commentators go out the same way. I don't need some clown watching a debate tell me what they thought of it.
    Harvey is good people and he's going to be fine. Rhoden and Mr. Vescey couldn't make the switch professionally as easily as Harvey can.
     
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