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Rumpleforeskin · Dec 16, 2009

Solid move by the Phillies. They basically dealt Lee, the catcher and Drabek for Halladay and three prospects. Toronto flipped Taylor to get Wallace, so that nulls that portion.

Batman · Dec 16, 2009

93Devil said:

There is a team in LA who will be right with the Phils.
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Until the Dodgers can last longer than five games against them, the Phils are the team to beat.
I haven't seen the Dodgers do anything this offseason that would push them past the Phillies. At best, the two teams are on the same footing as they were last season.

outofplace · Dec 16, 2009

Batman said:

mb said:

The thing that bugs me more than anything else is that the Phillies have won a grand total of 2 World Series in 126 years and yet they're perfectly content to just be really good and hope to win another one. You'd think a team with that many failures would be willing to be bold and say "fuck it, we're winning this year. And we're gonna go all scorched-earth on your asses on the way."
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See, the Phillies aren't just playing for 2010, though. They're in a position to compete for a championship for the next three or four years, at least. They're not an aging team with one or two good years left in them that needs to win now or have the window slam shut. They're a team with a bunch of all-stars in their prime, some of whose contracts will be expiring in the next couple years.

Unless they could have traded for Halladay without either a) giving up every top prospect in the system; or b) giving up Lee and making it the three-team dance it became; then this was a good move.
They also get bonus points for not giving up Happ, who seems like he's on the verge of big things. If he develops into a solid No. 3 starter, a rotation of Halladay-Hamels-Happ for the next three years is pretty potent.
The Phils are still the best team in the NL heading into 2010 -- and probably 2011 and 2012, too. They'll be in a position to win a couple more championships, which is all you can really ask for. Twenty years ago, even 10 years ago the Phillies would have played the Jays' role in all of this.
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That's the thing. The trade with the Mariners turned out to be completely separate from the one with the Blue Jays. They gave Toronto three prospects for Halladay. They could have stopped right there and taken the shot with Lee and Halladay for this year and still had Halladay going into 2011. They chose not to do that.

Big Circus · Dec 16, 2009

Batman said:

a rotation of Halladay-Hamels-Happ for the next three years is pretty potent.
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Maybe they can bring this guy in.

Double J · Dec 17, 2009

Hank_Scorpio said:

JR said:

Hot Stove doesn't scream "baseball'
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Seriously? Every baseball fan knows Hot Stove is the baseball offseason.
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Winter and Hot Stove means "Hockey Night in Canada" to us. Sorry.

And I'm glad I got to see the Jays win the World Series in 1992 and again in 1993, because I doubt very much it'll ever happen again in my lifetime.

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