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Happy Sedition Surrender Day

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by Regan MacNeil, Apr 9, 2021.

  1. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member


     
  2. swingline

    swingline Well-Known Member

    Lee should have been hanged as a traitor.
     
  3. LanceyHoward

    LanceyHoward Well-Known Member

    Somebody said "Winners get to write the history". After the Civil War the white people of the country reconciled in part by allowing the losers to write the history. So when I hear this outcry about Critical Race Theory I think about the tortured attempts to make Jefferson Davis a hero.
     
  4. Regan MacNeil

    Regan MacNeil Well-Known Member

    The whole Lost Cause movement makes me want to beat the shit out of someone.
     
  5. Mngwa

    Mngwa Well-Known Member

    If I had a time machine, I would go back to the end of the civil war and make sure all these f****** got hanged for their treasonous behavior.
     
  6. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    I believe strongly in Lincoln's "Malice towards none; charity towards all" version of reconstruction, but it spawned 100 years of placating Southerners.
     
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  7. 2muchcoffeeman

    2muchcoffeeman Well-Known Member

    Along with Davis, the surviving members of the Confederate cabinet and Congress, and several other senior Confederate military leaders.
     
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  8. cyclingwriter2

    cyclingwriter2 Well-Known Member

    In the early aftermath of the Capitol assault in January when GOPers were saying that we needed to let trump and his allies not be held accountable in order to not tear the country apart, what you just wrote bounced around in my head. Basically, we let the traitors off with a light slap on the wrist in the name of reconciliation and promptly screwed over generations of minorities in the process.
     
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  9. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    I’m more angry about the Compromise of 1877 than any other action of this country.

    Our original sin was heinous. But to throw away the blood and labor of generations, to undo the work of freeing a people for short political gain is even more unforgivable.
     
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  10. britwrit

    britwrit Well-Known Member

    Lee's reputation as a general is so inflated by whom he faced for most of the war. Once he faced someone competent (and willing to throw away so many Union lives,) the end was near.
     
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  11. Hermes

    Hermes Well-Known Member

    McClellan approached war like a 17-year old working the late shift at Taco Bell.

    McClellan definitely would’ve turned off the sign at 1:46 a.m. and refused to answer the drive-up speaker.
     
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  12. Justin_Rice

    Justin_Rice Well-Known Member


    Meh. Lee navigated the politics of Army command more successfully than most others on both sides.

    And he did a good job of frequently steering the AoNVa in a way such that the AoP was compelled to attack. Being on the Strategic Offensive but the Tactical Defensive was a very good posture in the 1860s, when we were just trying to figure out how to fight wars World War I style.

    I think Lee was very good. And I agree: Had the Union stumbled into a Grant-like commander earlier, the war would have been over sooner.

    In thinking about the Overland Campaign, Antietam and Chancellorsville in particular AoP commanders were just too willing to throw their hands up in defeat and retreat.

    Grant didn't win big in the Wilderness, but that he didn't say "Welp we didn't win the entire war today. Guess we gotta limp back across the Rappahannock" was a singular turning point in the war in the East.
     
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