Hall of Fame question

The Hall of Fame threads made me think of a question:

What franchise has gone the most years without having a future Hall of Famer on the team?

My guess is the Pittsburgh Pirates, 1993-to the present (and for the sake of argument I'm assuming Bonds will make the HOF).

Unless I'm missing someone, the Pirates have not had a likely Hall of Famer on the team for 18+ years. Aramis Ramirez, Jose Bautista, or Jim Leyland - I suppose they have a small chance.

Maybe the Royals but I think Damon ends up getting in if he hangs onto get 3000 hits.

Baseball historians: Is there another team from earlier in the 20th century that can beat the Pirates' current 'streak'?

 

I forgot Ricardo Rincon. His acquisition by the A's was the key move that led to them winning a major league record 20 games in a row. Definitely a Hall of Famer hahaha

 

Believe it or not, the Tigers have not had a Hall of Famer play for them since Kaline retired in 1974.

(Someone still on the ballot or not yet eligible could change that, of course.)

http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/WCytH

 

Wow, had no idea. The Tigers were a good team for most of that span, too.

 

Consecutive seasons with no Hall of Famers on playing roster

Detroit Tigers, 36*, 1975-present

Milwaukee Brewers, 17*, 1994-present (Sabathia '08 breaks streak at 14?)
Kansas City Royals, 17*, 1994-present

Cincinnati Reds, 14, 1942-1955
Toronto Blue Jays, 10, 1977-1986
Philadelphia A's, 8, 1917-1924
Chicago Cubs, 8, 1945-1952
California Angels, 8, 1961-1968
Cleveland Indians, 8, 1964-1971
Texas Rangers, 7, 1982-1988
Philadelphia A's, 5, 1950-1954
Washington Senators, 5, 1949-1953
Seattle Mariners, 5, 1984-1988 (assuming Griffey gets in)

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I don't think these make much sense to include here, especially if Bonds gets in, but I'll list them anyway:

Pittsburgh Pirates, 28*, 1983-present (Bonds debut: 1986)
Cincinnati Reds, 24*, 1987-present (Larkin debut: 1986)
Houston Astros, 22*, 1989-present (Biggio debut: 1989)
Atlanta Braves, 22*, 1989-present (Glavine debut: 1987)
Philadelphia Phillies, 21*, 1990-present
San Francisco Giants, 20*, 1991-present (Bonds: 1993)
Montreal Expos, 18*, 1993-present (Pedro debut: 1994)
Texas Rangers, 17*, 1994-present (Pudge debut: 1991)

If you've had a current HOFer since the '94 strike — and Rickey by himself gives half the teams in the league one — I didn't include you.

Obviously, YMMV as we elect new players in coming years. It's really hard to answer this question accurately until long after the fact.

 

You're right that we can't say with certainty until some time has passed.

Tigers: Jack Morris' candidacy is slowly gaining momentum, but he is 10% lower in vote totals than Blyeelven was at the same point (12 years on the ballot). Ivan Rodriguez is a lock to make the hall, so their streak should end at 2004. I thought Trammell would do a lot better but he's a longshot. If we include managers, Sparky Anderson takes them off this list.

 

That stat with Detroit is crazy, since they have been pretty good for large portions of that streak. Of course, within the past 8 years alone they have (have had) Verlander, Miguel Cabrera, Ivan Rodriguez and Sheffield among others.

If you don't count some of those guys, I'm guessing you have some pretty long streaks in there.

 

Morris has three years left, he hasn't broken 54% and he's about to get gridlocked with a ton of qualified first-timers. And he doesn't have Rich Lederer opening people's minds for him. He won't get in, nor should he.

Trammell should be in. A traveshamockery.

And no, we're not including managers. That's why I said "on playing roster".

 

My baseball IQ goes up a pussy hair every time Buckweaver posts something. Shitfire, he knows more about baseball than I know about myself.

 

Hey you won't hear me argue for Morris. The guy has a 3.90 era. I was just saying he could get in.

I just looked at Trammel's numbers. He only got to about 2300 hits. If you let him in you have to let a lot of other guys in too - Concepcion, Vizquel, Garciaparra, etc

 

If Prince Fielder maintains current production, the Brewers' number will get dialed back to 11 (2005). Ryan Braun debuted in 2007 and he's certainly on pace (long way to go obviously). And if Sabathia doesn't get there, Trevor Hoffmann will make it 16 years max.