Greg Doyel On Buzz Williams

franticscribe · Mar 22, 2014

terrier said:

The Providence situation has been in the news here since November. Cooley sat the two players down even before the university took action to suspend them for the year. The victim made the criminal complaint only two weeks ago, with no charges filed yet. The Providence cop probably dropped the dime this week for maximum effect, since some town/gown issues exist between PC and the PPD (not involving athletes).
PC is not a school known for coddling miscreant athletes (at least since Marvin Barnes left).
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I follow a new Big East team pretty closely and so heard about this back in the fall. Cooley has really impressed me in how he's handled it. Far better than I think a lot of coaches would have.

Boom_70 · Mar 22, 2014

terrier said:

Boom_70 said:

BadgerBeer said:

D-3 Fan said:

BadgerBeer said:

armageddon said:

cranberry said:

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.
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Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.
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I agree with the above but don't you think that he genuinely wants to do good by these kids? As I said, I would never trust Buzz, he seems slimy and I believe that he cheats, but like many of us, there is some good and some bad.
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...and your point is???

Newbie, this isn't a new story. College sports, recruiting in general, is a cutthroat business. To say that Williams is a "cheater" is basically saying the same thing about Coach K, Bob McKillop at Davidson, et al.

There is nothing wrong with doing the right thing in the community, and willing to whack a fellow league coach at the knees to get a top recruit. Everyone does it.

Everyone, including you and me, can cultivate a personality on the front end, and hide a completely different one behind the curtains.
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Does every coach cover for his players when they rape a young woman and keep them on his team? I wonder how the young lady that had her life ruined feels about Saint Buzz? I tend to remember Alford getting crucified over the Pierre Pierce story. As far as "my point", Buzz Williams is a scumbag and a total dick and it pisses me off to see people worshipping a man that has hurt so many people. In fact , this type of thing just enables a bully, the school President and AD "resigned" because they had the audacity to challenge Buzz to have some control over his program. Now, with all that being said, I do believe that he cares about those kids, hence my initial post.
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Providence also had a situation like Marquette this season that now has just hit the
national news. Two freshman recruits were accused of rape in November and
were suspended for season. One of players transferred to Oregon and the other
stayed and can practice but not play the season.

http://tracking.si.com/2014/03/18/providence-investigating-players-sexual-assault/?xid=nl_siextra
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The Providence situation has been in the news here since November. Cooley sat the two players down even before the university took action to suspend them for the year. The victim made the criminal complaint only two weeks ago, with no charges filed yet. The Providence cop probably dropped the dime this week for maximum effect, since some town/gown issues exist between PC and the PPD (not involving athletes).
PC is not a school known for coddling miscreant athletes (at least since Marvin Barnes left).
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Mike Tyson raped a PC chick and ended up in the big house.

Boom_70 · Mar 22, 2014

Buzz Williams a special guest on At The Half wearing a big VT lapel pin,

Seems a tad soon and an insult to Marquette fans who supported him for
so many years. Bad form

Big Circus · Mar 23, 2014

armageddon said:

cranberry said:

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.
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Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.
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I know this is old, but this is half the story. The "paperwork issue" was that Newbill never applied to the school. He couldn't be bothered to complete an application that would take most students one day. And unlike those students, it really didn't matter what was in that application - he was getting in.

Boom_70 · Mar 23, 2014

Big Circus said:

armageddon said:

cranberry said:

Very nice column. Doyel is getting soft.
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Not soft. Just lazy.

Perhaps he could have talked to the players who have been run off the team when better options became available.

Or he could have talked to DJ Newbill, who signed but was told before he stepped foot onto the campus (by an assistant) that there was a paperwork issue and no scholarship was available. There was no paperwork issue when Newbill's spot was quickly filled by a player Williams' deemed better, however.

Or he could have talked to the MU student who was allegedly assaulted by several players. The manner in which that alleged incident was swept under the rug so effortlessly was almost as impressive as the Elite Eight run. That run, of course, was led by at least one of the alleged perps.

Williams is a solid coach, who is adept at cultivating a nice image. But pull back the curtains and you won't like what you see.
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I know this is old, but this is half the story. The "paperwork issue" was that Newbill never applied to the school. He couldn't be bothered to complete an application that would take most students one day. And unlike those students, it really didn't matter what was in that application - he was getting in.
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Marquette does not accept "The Common App" ?

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