Greatest Super Bowl ... EVAR

Simon_Cowbell · Jan 26, 2008

outofplace said:

Simon_Cowbell said:

outofplace said:

Simon_Cowbell said:

forever_town said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

Parcells is an excellent coach. Some of his legend comes from that Norwood miss, ending a game where Belichick's defensive gameplan was absolutely punishing to the Bills' pass catchers. (Dr. Z in the SI game story: "Win one Super Bowl and you're a winning Super Bowl coach. Win two and you're a man with a plan, a person whose approach to the game must be studied and copied." I think; that's from the memory)
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Bill Parcells doesn't have the hardware he got with Bill Belichick's help. However, he took over a Dallas team that went 5-11 three straight years under Dave Campo. To play off the classic Parcells quote about buying groceries, the cupboard looked pretty bare in Dallas before he got there. In his very first year with Campo's cretins, he went 10-6 and got his team into the playoffs.

He turned the Cowboys from chumps to a team with a legitimate chance to be one of the NFL's final 12 each year he was there. That should not be diminished.

That said, I disagree firmly with the notion that Belichick should be mentioned in the same breath as Bill Walsh. As mentioned before, Walsh popularized an offensive system that is still a prominent fixture of the NFL. Belichick isn't as much of an innovator as Walsh was.

I'd also posit that the recently re-retired Joe Gibbs is being taken a little for granted here. He won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and took a dysfunctional franchise to the playoffs two out of the last three years he was there in his second tour of duty. He also did what no other coach before him has or any coach that follows him will be able to do: He got the Danny to shut up.

I'd like to see Belicheat take a second quarterback to the Super Bowl. I'd like to see Parcells win one friggin' playoff game without Belicheat.
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Gibbs is taken for granted?

BTW, Bledsoe played a huge part in New England winning the 2002 AFC Championship.
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So, that's your validation for Coach Hoodie? Because Bledsoe led the Patriots on one touchdown drive? It was an impressive drive, no doubt, but the Patriots won that game on defense and special teams (blocked field goal for a touchdown and punt return for a touchdown).
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I saw Hoodie neuter Marino when he coached the Jets, blitzing guys up the middle. He is, without qualification, the greatest defensive coach ever.

But it's nice that when someone is trying to point out that it isn't always Brady (like it wasn't in the 2002 AFC title game or Super Bowl XXXVI), that you, as a matter of trying to keep credit from Hoodie, mention defense....
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There are plenty of good arguments in his favor. Trying to give him all the credit for everything Parcells did is a bit much
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In 1991, holding the 49ers and Bills to a combined 32 points in the NFC Championship and the Super Bowl was a miracle.

I hate that asshole Belichick, but Parcells has gotten a big, fat ride on his back.

Herbert Anchovy · Jan 26, 2008

Simon_Cowbell said:

In 1991, holding the 49ers and Bills to a combined 32 points in the NFC Championship and the Super Bowl was a miracle.
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The Giants controlled nearly 80 minutes of the clock in those two games.

There wasn't so much defense to be played.

hockeybeat · Jan 26, 2008

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Simon_Cowbell said:

In 1991, holding the 49ers and Bills to a combined 32 points in the NFC Championship and the Super Bowl was a miracle.
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The Giants controlled nearly 80 minutes of the clock in those two games.

There wasn't so much defense to be played.
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But the 49ers and Bills were quick strike offenses. Neither team needed much time to put up points. The Giants defense did a remarkable job in forcing those teams to play ground-it-out football.

Michael_ Gee · Jan 26, 2008

FWIW, Gibbs is the one coach Parcells has actually almost sort of admitted might be his superior, at least in my hearing.
Belichick's talent as a coach isn't inventing things. It's taking bits and pieces of the sum of created football knowledge and molding it to what he needs for THIS GAME. Gun goes off, the mold goes in the trash with the ankle tape and he starts over.

Herbert Anchovy · Jan 26, 2008

It was a tight gameplan almost flawlessly executed by both halves of the team.

outofplace · Jan 26, 2008

hockeybeat said:

Lee Jackson Beauregard said:

Simon_Cowbell said:

In 1991, holding the 49ers and Bills to a combined 32 points in the NFC Championship and the Super Bowl was a miracle.
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The Giants controlled nearly 80 minutes of the clock in those two games.

There wasn't so much defense to be played.
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But the 49ers and Bills were quick strike offenses. Neither team needed much time to put up points. The Giants defense did a remarkable job in forcing those teams to play ground-it-out football.
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Quick-strike offenses still have to find the ball. Eat up the clock, they have fewer chances to burn you.

Blitz · Jan 27, 2008

Simon_Cowbell said:

forever_town said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

Parcells is an excellent coach. Some of his legend comes from that Norwood miss, ending a game where Belichick's defensive gameplan was absolutely punishing to the Bills' pass catchers. (Dr. Z in the SI game story: "Win one Super Bowl and you're a winning Super Bowl coach. Win two and you're a man with a plan, a person whose approach to the game must be studied and copied." I think; that's from the memory)
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Bill Parcells doesn't have the hardware he got with Bill Belichick's help. However, he took over a Dallas team that went 5-11 three straight years under Dave Campo. To play off the classic Parcells quote about buying groceries, the cupboard looked pretty bare in Dallas before he got there. In his very first year with Campo's cretins, he went 10-6 and got his team into the playoffs.

He turned the Cowboys from chumps to a team with a legitimate chance to be one of the NFL's final 12 each year he was there. That should not be diminished.

That said, I disagree firmly with the notion that Belichick should be mentioned in the same breath as Bill Walsh. As mentioned before, Walsh popularized an offensive system that is still a prominent fixture of the NFL. Belichick isn't as much of an innovator as Walsh was.

I'd also posit that the recently re-retired Joe Gibbs is being taken a little for granted here. He won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and took a dysfunctional franchise to the playoffs two out of the last three years he was there in his second tour of duty. He also did what no other coach before him has or any coach that follows him will be able to do: He got the Danny to shut up.

I'd like to see Belicheat take a second quarterback to the Super Bowl. I'd like to see Parcells win one friggin' playoff game without Belicheat.
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Gibbs is taken for granted?

BTW, Bledsoe played a huge part in New England winning the 2002 AFC Championship.
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Oakland actually "won" that game.
But I understand what you're saying.
I'm just saying.

Simon_Cowbell · Jan 27, 2008

Blitz said:

Simon_Cowbell said:

forever_town said:

Piotr Rasputin said:

Parcells is an excellent coach. Some of his legend comes from that Norwood miss, ending a game where Belichick's defensive gameplan was absolutely punishing to the Bills' pass catchers. (Dr. Z in the SI game story: "Win one Super Bowl and you're a winning Super Bowl coach. Win two and you're a man with a plan, a person whose approach to the game must be studied and copied." I think; that's from the memory)
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Bill Parcells doesn't have the hardware he got with Bill Belichick's help. However, he took over a Dallas team that went 5-11 three straight years under Dave Campo. To play off the classic Parcells quote about buying groceries, the cupboard looked pretty bare in Dallas before he got there. In his very first year with Campo's cretins, he went 10-6 and got his team into the playoffs.

He turned the Cowboys from chumps to a team with a legitimate chance to be one of the NFL's final 12 each year he was there. That should not be diminished.

That said, I disagree firmly with the notion that Belichick should be mentioned in the same breath as Bill Walsh. As mentioned before, Walsh popularized an offensive system that is still a prominent fixture of the NFL. Belichick isn't as much of an innovator as Walsh was.

I'd also posit that the recently re-retired Joe Gibbs is being taken a little for granted here. He won three Super Bowls with three different starting quarterbacks and took a dysfunctional franchise to the playoffs two out of the last three years he was there in his second tour of duty. He also did what no other coach before him has or any coach that follows him will be able to do: He got the Danny to shut up.

I'd like to see Belicheat take a second quarterback to the Super Bowl. I'd like to see Parcells win one friggin' playoff game without Belicheat.
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Gibbs is taken for granted?

BTW, Bledsoe played a huge part in New England winning the 2002 AFC Championship.
Click to expand...

Oakland actually "won" that game.
But I understand what you're saying.
I'm just saying.
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The 2002 AFC Championship?

I agree that the Raiders "won" the week before the AFC Championship....

Blitz · Jan 27, 2008

Yeah, that game.
That's right. Thanks for the clarity.

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Greatest Super Bowl ... EVAR

OK, kids. In honor of the asskicking (or monumental upset) to come, what's the best Super Bowl?

XXIII: San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16

XXV: N.Y. Giants 20, Buffalo 19

XXXII: Denver 31, Green Bay 24

XXXVI: New England 20, St. Louis 17

XXXVIII: New England 32, Carolina 29

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OK, kids. In honor of the asskicking (or monumental upset) to come, what's the best Super Bowl?

XXIII: San Francisco 20, Cincinnati 16

XXV: N.Y. Giants 20, Buffalo 19

XXXII: Denver 31, Green Bay 24

XXXVI: New England 20, St. Louis 17

XXXVIII: New England 32, Carolina 29

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