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Greatest shortstop ever - who do you pick?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MankyJimy, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    A .258 hitter from the deadball era?
     
  2. Hank_Scorpio

    Hank_Scorpio Active Member

    Ray Oyler.

    Not only was he a good fielder, he stepped aside for a better player in the 1968 World Series.

    (Unlike Jeter who refused to step aside for a better SS in ARod).
     
  3. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    Ten years ago, I would have agreed. But now we know that he was cheating. Since testing has been implemented, he has been a very different player.
     
  4. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    Fucking A.
     
  5. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    Never heard of him.
     
  6. ColdCat

    ColdCat Well-Known Member

    You got some of those rbi off Christy Matthewson and Grover Cleveland Alexander did you?
     
  7. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    My picks for greatest ever at each position:

    Catcher: Mike Piazza
    First Base: Jim Thome
    Second Base: Robbie Alomar
    Shortstop: Derek Jeter
    Third Base: Mike Schmidt
    Left Field: Barry Bonds
    Center Field: Bernie Williams
    Right Field: Larry Walker

    This is based on peak value
     
  8. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    You ever see them play? You do realize that it has been estimated that the top speed for pitchers of the early 20th century was 85-90 MPH?
     
  9. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    No, it's based on someone who didn't see a shred of baseball before the year 2000, who threw in Mike Schmidt for "cred".

    The real best-of list ...

    C -- Don Werner
    1B -- Dave Bergman
    2B -- Wayne Krenchicki
    SS -- Paul Zuvella
    3B -- Wayne Gross
    LF -- Eddie Milner
    CF -- Gary Pettis
    RF -- Paul Dade

    These are based on baseball cards I randomly pulled out of a box.
     
  10. HanSenSE

    HanSenSE Well-Known Member

    Manky's twice changed his criteria at SS, and still no love for Shooty Babbit.
     
  11. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    I dispute the idea that my list is weighted toward post-2000 players. Alomar, Walker, Bonds, and Piazza all peaked in the 1990s. I have a lot of knowledge about pre-1990s players. I just don't consider many of them to be among the all-time greats. Example: Joe Morgan - many people think he is the greatest 2B of all time. I look at his stats - .271 career average - and go "seriously?"
     
  12. Bubbler

    Bubbler Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure Walter Johnson pitched in the early 20th Century ... and I'm pretty sure he didn't throw a 90-mile-per-hour fastball.

    You also realize pitchers could throw spit, grease and shine balls back in the day, right?
     
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