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Goodbye Joe - You Gotta Go !

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by Boom_70, Jul 25, 2006.

  1. So there is no room among Democrats anymore for a Scoop Jackson-type of senator. Maybe they should change their name to the Pacifist Party, then.

    The next time ANYBODY suggests there's some sort of litmus test involved with being a Republican, remember what the Dems are doing to Lieberman right now.
  2. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    dog - you're oversimplifying what's really going on with Lieberman.

    I recommend the New Yorker piece 21 mentioned...

    It has little to do with party politics, really. It all comes down to the war in Iraq.

    But again, it's not what it seems.

    As the article points out, the voters aren't pissed that he voted for the war-- or even that he wants troops to stay and finish the job.

    It has to do with his seeming state of oblivion as to its severity. He won't even acknowledge it's a damn mess. Nor does he seem to want to hold anyone accountable for anything regarding the war, foreign policy, Gitmo prisoners, you name it. It's maddening, really.

    But Joe has a reason for his "oblivion." He sold his soul to Bush in exchange for keeping a sub base open in Eastern Connecticut. If the base had closed, it would have been horrible, horrible for that state. He used his clout, got what he needed, and now the devil is collecting.

    Fascinating race to watch...
  3. D-Backs Hack

    D-Backs Hack Guest

    It's great that there are free drinks -- which have clearly been consumed by the gallon by some -- and I've heard the band is awesome, but I'm sorry, I'm going to have to skip the right-wing pity party for Joe Lieberman.

    One more time -- the Democratic Party hasn't done anything to Poor Joe, except send some of their heaviest hitters to campaign for him. A primary challenger named Ned Lamont that has garnered enough support among enough Connecticut voters dissatisfied with the job performance of their state's junior senator, that he is actually going to have to work to get re-elected.

    My, what a constitutional crisis we have on our hands.

    What's more, anyone who has studied Lieberman's public behavior over the last few years should know that he has done this to himself. He is not a Democratic senator from Nebraska or Alabama. After 18 years in the Senate, if he can't represent his constituents in Connecticut, defend his record and handle a campaign challenge, well, too bad.
  4. Boom_70

    Boom_70 Well-Known Member

    Because of political  make-up of state Joe had always had to walk a fine line to keep everyone happy.

    Fairfield County is mostly republican and rest of state is mostly democrat.  For the most part I think he has done a good job striking a balance.

    The security of Israel is also very important issue to Joe which in part counts for his support of war.

    As far as sub base Chris Dodd also played very important role in keeping in state.
  5. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    Yes he did...

    Conveniently, though, Chris Dodd isn't up for reelection until 2010.
  6. Can we all slow down please? If this was an uprising of the Democratic Left, the same people who are pushing Ned Lamont wouldn't also be pushing Casey in Pennsylvania or Jim Webb in Virginia, both of whom are arguably more conservative than Lieberman is.
    Joe Lieberman is in a hotly contested Democratic primary in his home state, just as Arlen Specter was last time in Pennsylvania, and Bob Smith the time before that in New Hampshire, and just as Lincoln Chaffee is THIS time in Rhode Island. Nobody stood up and whined for them. There's a lot to dislike about Joe Lieberman -- the public sanctimony when he's one of Wrinkly Imus's meat puppets a couple times a month, the way he rolled over for Cheney in the VEEP debate, the way he rolled over for Russert on military ballots during the 2000 aftermath, the way he gave conspicuous public cover to the phony impeachment in 1998, the way he told us not to criticize Fredo so as not to "undermine" him, and that was this year. And the way he's conducted a campaign in which he seems to think the seat is his by some sort of divine right.
    And, of course, the war.
    Ned Lamont's not Eugene McCarthy. He's a Connecticut plutocrat who got fed up and couldn't find anyone else to make the race. Two months ago, he was 30 points behind. Now, it looks like he's even. So you have to campaign, Joe, you whiny entitled fake. Go do it.
  7. Lugnuts

    Lugnuts Well-Known Member

    Another interesting thing about this race is that the Republican candidate is pure scum.

    Something about owing the casinos money... Then showing up in one and giving a fake name. ;D

    Even the Republicans won't vote for him.

    This oughta be a fun race to watch!
  8. PopeDirkBenedict

    PopeDirkBenedict Active Member

    With the right candidate, I believe a Republican could win this race under the "If A and B are slinging copious amounts of mud at each other, C is the beneficiary" theory. This theory is the reason that Russ Feingold is in the Senate, Jesse Ventura is known for something other than being a fake athlete and John Edwards had any traction coming out of Iowa. You find a moderate Republican who is willing to run self-deprecating/quirky ads and would completely stay away from the mud-slinging and a three-way race would develop. The current GOP candidate in CT? Not that guy.
  9. Isn't our gal Annie Coulter a native Nutmegger? Wasn't she once going to run against Chris Shays and make him cry?
    Step up, Annie.
    Be a man.
  10. suburbia

    suburbia Active Member

    That last bit summed it up. The Cubs will win the World Series before that ticket wins the Presidency/Vice Presidency. Neither of them will appeal to their party's base (look how Bush/Rove destroyed McCain in 2000) enough to win a nomination, let alone the general election.
  11. Anybody who thinks McCain would govern as anything but a hardcore conservative Republican is driving the crazy train. Think of Fredo's "unitary" executive with a 60 percent approval rating, a deep vengeful streak, and some brains in the Oval, and you've pretty much got it.
    Want to vote for McCain because you admire his bio, or what you perceive to be his character, go ahead and have at it. But he's about as nonpartisan as Grover Norquist.
  12. Armchair_QB

    Armchair_QB Well-Known Member

    She IS a man.
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