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G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by YankeeFan, Mar 24, 2011.

  1. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Exactly.

    Both sides are responsible.

    The money spent on lobbyists is the best money these companies spend. The return on investment is incredible.

    And, these politicians are not only whores, they're cheap whores. Charlie Rangel agrees to a tax provision worth billions in return for getting to claim partial credit for a $30M donation from GE.

    We need to make the tax code smaller & simpler.

    We need to give Washington less money, less control. But, we're doing just the opposite.
     
  2. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Honestly, how can you give Washington less money and expect the country to still operate?

    I'm not a smart man, but I think we're in a little debt, these days with the money we have.
     
  3. JakeandElwood

    JakeandElwood Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Yes, but then if those loopholes are closed up and - gasp - GE has to pay some taxes, they'll outsource jobs or lay people off while still making a great profit.
     
  4. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    suburbia, You'd never know it by the stupid arguments on half the threads on here.

    magic, I'm somewhat with you, but not quite. A "flat tax" -- as long as it is in the hands of politicians who can change it, amend it and do whatever they want with it -- is the same thing as any tax code. If we ever see a flat tax, they will call it a "flat tax," sell people on it to keep them shut up for a while, and continue to offer favors to those with the largest checkbooks, until it is a flat tax in name only and is a twisted mess like the one we have in reality.

    You think our current tax code started out this complicated? When they passed the 16th Amendment in 1913, it got a lot of resistance, but they got the thing ratified by assuring people: "Don't worry, 99.9 percent of people will never, ever have to pay any taxes."

    But once they opened the barn door, it was a foregone conclusion that giving elected officials more powers would lead to more corruption and grabs at even more power. It has been an endless cycle. It always has been in the American political system, but it has runaway to a scale that would have been incomprehensible in 1913.
     
  5. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Well, you have them spend a whole lot less money.

    The more money they collect and spend, the more valuable influence with lawmakers is. The more corruptible the entire tax code is.

    How many members of the House and/or Senate prepare their own taxes? There have been stories on this, and none (or almost none) of them do. They write the tax laws and they can't prepare their own returns.

    If there is a process to manipulate the tax code, corporations & "the rich" will spend money to manipulate it. It's worth it. It's money well spent.

    And, it corrupts the entire process. Not to mention that it puts the government in the position of choosing winners & losers.

    It should be simpler and smaller.

    But instead, the federal government is taking over larger & larger chunks of our economy. There will be billions of dollars made as a result of the new healthcare system. And, many of those billions will be made by manipulating the system through "lobbying" all to willing lawmakers.
     
  6. wicked

    wicked Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    This. If you want to stretch the truth and/or have a really good accountant/tax person, it's amazing how much you can avoid paying.

    Charge everyone a flat 15 percent tax, make the corporation tax 10 percent (most aren't paying any at the moment), and we'll be much better off. Also can cut about 90 percent of the IRS' workforce.
     
  7. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    And about 975 lawyers at GE.

    Think about all of the time and money spent on tax compliance, tax avoidance, and lobbying.

    And none of it leads to any actual productivity.
     
  8. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    The size of our Federal Budget circa 1980 was approximately $500 billion. Today it is more than $4 trillion. At the same time, our national debt is what, $14, $15 trillion? Unless you expect our economy to work to support government spending, it's fair to say that the source of that debt has been out-of-control spending, not an inability to raise revenues. Our Federal government COULD operate just fine on less than a $4 trillion budget. The reason we have that debt is that we have let things run away on us. The fix is to take back power from the Federal government -- albeit a difficult task. Once you allow people power, they grab for more, they don't willingly give it back.
     
  9. Magic In The Night

    Magic In The Night Active Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Wow. What would we do with all those military toys then? And all those workers at Raytheon and McDonnel-Douglas and all the other companies in the military-industrial complex. What will they do then? Think of the children!
     
  10. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    Yeah. Um, the newest helicopter I own was built in 1985.
     
  11. RickStain

    RickStain Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    That's because you are in the "fixing people" division. You need to move to the "blowing shit up" part of the Army if you want to use the good stuff.
     
  12. three_bags_full

    three_bags_full Well-Known Member

    Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether

    And when I say that, I'm not being disrespectful. I just want everyone to understand we don't roll around in the newest, most expensive equipment the Army can find.
     
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