Frontline: Bush's War

deskslave · Mar 29, 2008

Boomer7 said:

Tom Petty said:

Boom_70 said:

TheHacker said:

Anybody else catch this? I recorded it earlier in the week and just got a chance to watch it last night -- it was a two-part show that traced how the administration moved us from 9/11 to the case for war in Iraq. It's Frontline, so you knew it was going to be exhaustively reported, but I was still really impressed with it.

Even after watching all of this unfold since 9/11, it's still dramatic and stunning to see the chronology laid out in such a systematic fashion. It's almost like you can't really comprehend the historical significance in the moment. Years from now, we're going to look back in sheer amazement at what happened -- what we, as a nation allowed to happen -- out of fear. This documentary tells the story. Truly excellent. A must-watch.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/
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Hey 90 years later Serbia is still to make sense of the killing of Ferdanand.

Found this quote interesting given the source:

"I think the vice president felt he kind of looked death in the eye on 9/11," former White House counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke says. "Three thousand Americans died. The building that the vice president used to work in blew up, and people died there. This was a cold slap in the face. This is a different world you're living in now. And the enemy's still out there, and the enemy could come after you. That does cause you to think [about] things differently."
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yeah, hey, fuck man, reading books to grade school kids is much like looking death in the eye.

those might be the stupidest words ever strung together in the history of man.
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You misread it -- it was Cheney, not Bush, that Clarke was talking about. Cheney was in a building that was a suspected target on 9/11 (the White House). I can't blame him for feeling like he was staring death in the face that morning. I can blame him, however, for virtually everything he's done since then.
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Yeah, it probably reminded him of those days on the front lines. Oh, wait...

Tom Petty · Mar 29, 2008

Boomer7 said:

Tom Petty said:

Boom_70 said:

TheHacker said:

Anybody else catch this? I recorded it earlier in the week and just got a chance to watch it last night -- it was a two-part show that traced how the administration moved us from 9/11 to the case for war in Iraq. It's Frontline, so you knew it was going to be exhaustively reported, but I was still really impressed with it.

Even after watching all of this unfold since 9/11, it's still dramatic and stunning to see the chronology laid out in such a systematic fashion. It's almost like you can't really comprehend the historical significance in the moment. Years from now, we're going to look back in sheer amazement at what happened -- what we, as a nation allowed to happen -- out of fear. This documentary tells the story. Truly excellent. A must-watch.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/bushswar/
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Hey 90 years later Serbia is still to make sense of the killing of Ferdanand.

Found this quote interesting given the source:

"I think the vice president felt he kind of looked death in the eye on 9/11," former White House counterterrorism coordinator Richard Clarke says. "Three thousand Americans died. The building that the vice president used to work in blew up, and people died there. This was a cold slap in the face. This is a different world you're living in now. And the enemy's still out there, and the enemy could come after you. That does cause you to think [about] things differently."
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yeah, hey, fuck man, reading books to grade school kids is much like looking death in the eye.

those might be the stupidest words ever strung together in the history of man.
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You misread it -- it was Cheney, not Bush, that Clarke was talking about. Cheney was in a building that was a suspected target on 9/11 (the White House). I can't blame him for feeling like he was staring death in the face that morning. I can blame him, however, for virtually everything he's done since then.
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i guess i'm the silly sonuvabitch then, eh?

Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L) · Mar 29, 2008

Fenian_Bastard · Mar 29, 2008

He was a soldier once, and young.
Now he's pissed.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/31672.html

Baron Scicluna · Mar 29, 2008

Fenian_Bastard said:

He was a soldier once, and young.
Now he's pissed.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/31672.html
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Agree with his viewpoint. Still makes me wish the Dems would have filed impeachment charges against Bush and Cheney the day they took power. Even if they wouldn't have gotten convictions in the Senate, at least an impeachment would be on Bush's record for all eternity.

alleyallen · Mar 29, 2008

Baron Scicluna said:

Fenian_Bastard said:

He was a soldier once, and young.
Now he's pissed.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/galloway/story/31672.html
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Agree with his viewpoint. Still makes me wish the Dems would have filed impeachment charges against Bush and Cheney the day they took power. Even if they wouldn't have gotten convictions in the Senate, at least an impeachment would be on Bush's record for all eternity.
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One way or another, GWB will have a stain on his record in history. It's just a damn shame 4,000 Americans had to provide the blood for that stain.

DanOregon · Mar 29, 2008

And its not like people can say its a smear job, since the people involved, like Armitage, Chalabi et. al. are the ones telling the story. Truly stunning.

Blitz · Mar 29, 2008

bagelchick said:

I saw the last hour of the first episode, then TiVo'd it. It's a 4 1/2 hour time commitment, but from what I saw, appears to be worth viewing.
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You can order this for $29 on DVD, I believe I saw.
Great work.
Rumsfeld's arrogance and the admin's tunnel vision is certainly on display here.
Condi Rice was portrayed as a lame duck.

Lots of good, quality soldiers are over there in Afghan. and Iraq now. I hope these soldiers are steered by clearer minds in Washingotn in coming years of these conflicts.
Too much in-fighting with the Bush administration for my taste.

jgmacg · Mar 29, 2008

The whole thing's available online at the link TheHacker posted above, too.

Tom Petty · Mar 30, 2008

Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L) said:

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nicely played, evil.

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